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Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.

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DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 09:14

Welcome to our long running thread for political discussion, general chit chat, a friendly hug and taxes in kind

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New PM, new thread title, the discussion continues.

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SerendipityJane · 23/07/2026 14:55

Persephonia1966 · 23/07/2026 14:45

Also true! I was trying to briefly summarise the problem with vape shops.and the high street. People blame "greedy" councils.putting up rent but, also they are skint.
The UK is ridiculously centralised in terms of how much overall tax revenue is available to local government to spend but those local government still have spending responsibilities. I kind of hope that some of Andy Burnham's plan to shift things out of London will involve fixing this a bit. But in the short term really the dodgy vape shops need dealing with.

That is a result of the 1980s, when a lot of popular councils were able to question the Tories "are things wonderful" narrative.

The prime example being the banner with the real number of unemployed that hung up on County Hall opposite parliament.

Localism is anathema to dictatorships/

Notonthestairs · 23/07/2026 15:01

I quite agree, and I remember the merry-go-round of opening and closing tanning shops in my local town back in the late 80s. Its been a reliable means to money launder/sell dodgy stuff for a very long time.

At the same time the authorities tasked with doing something about such businesses (trading standards etc) were unfunded and short staffed so the allocation of specific funding I linked to above will be useful.

And Labour have introduced some reforms eg providing multi year settlements as opposed to the single year settlements under the Conservatives, which will make it easier for councils to plan.

In my ideal world local residents/voters would pay a lot more attention to the nitty gritty of funding (where it comes from and why and how it has developed over the last couple of decades) because it has a direct impact on their services.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/comment/delivering-radical-rebalancing-funding-more-deprived-councils

DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 15:16

Former Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) leader Jeffrey Donaldson has been stripped of his knighthood by the King.

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SerendipityJane · 23/07/2026 15:18

DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 15:16

Former Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) leader Jeffrey Donaldson has been stripped of his knighthood by the King.

And the £10 billion ?

placemats · 23/07/2026 15:23

DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 15:16

Former Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) leader Jeffrey Donaldson has been stripped of his knighthood by the King.

Excellent news. He's appealing his conviction. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2046e37ewyo

Unfortunately there's a photo of the ex Knight of the Realm.

Jeffrey Donaldson - in a navy suit and a green tie

Former DUP leader Jeffrey Donaldson to appeal sex offence convictions

His legal team has lodged the paperwork with the Court of Appeal in Belfast.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2046e37ewyo

SerendipityJane · 23/07/2026 15:25

placemats · 23/07/2026 15:23

Excellent news. He's appealing his conviction. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2046e37ewyo

Unfortunately there's a photo of the ex Knight of the Realm.

He is of course appealing the sentence.

It would take a serious (risk of) miscarriage of justice for the court to review the verdict.

#justsaying.

Efacsen · 23/07/2026 15:45

I read that BBC article last week and thought it was strange that the case was being put before the Court of Appeal before sentencing

Is this something special to NI?

Thanks for the new thread @DuncinToffee and good luck to @pointythings

Notonthestairs · 23/07/2026 15:47

Those poor women. The idea of having to wait to see if there would be another full hearing.

Yes, hope all goes well pointy.

placemats · 23/07/2026 15:51

Efacsen · 23/07/2026 15:45

I read that BBC article last week and thought it was strange that the case was being put before the Court of Appeal before sentencing

Is this something special to NI?

Thanks for the new thread @DuncinToffee and good luck to @pointythings

No idea if it's special to Northern Ireland or not. England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Ireland adopt a similar justice system, with obvious differences re constitutional matters. Scotland is different.

BestIsWest · 23/07/2026 16:05

Thanks for new thread. Netherlands tax.

Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.
SerendipityJane · 23/07/2026 16:09

Nigel Farage continues to do his silent nocturnal canine impression. This may be the longest period he hasn't been on the BBC for years.

Still, lest we forget.

Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.
placemats · 23/07/2026 16:10

Efacsen · 23/07/2026 15:45

I read that BBC article last week and thought it was strange that the case was being put before the Court of Appeal before sentencing

Is this something special to NI?

Thanks for the new thread @DuncinToffee and good luck to @pointythings

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/appealing-verdict

This gives a good outline re Northern Ireland.

Appealing a verdict

If you're convicted in a magistrate's court or the crown court, you have the right to appeal. But you must use the appeals process. The Royal Prerogative of Mercy can be given in certain court cases.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/appealing-verdict

Efacsen · 23/07/2026 16:15

placemats · 23/07/2026 16:10

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/appealing-verdict

This gives a good outline re Northern Ireland.

Thanks I was just reading that - which confirms that verdicts can be appealed before sentencing in NI

But also

After partition, Northern Ireland's courts became separate from the court system of the Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland continues to have a separate legal system to the rest of the United Kingdom. There are exceptions to that rule, such as in immigration and military law, for which there is a unified judicial system for the whole United Kingdom.

placemats · 23/07/2026 16:36

Efacsen · 23/07/2026 16:15

Thanks I was just reading that - which confirms that verdicts can be appealed before sentencing in NI

But also

After partition, Northern Ireland's courts became separate from the court system of the Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland continues to have a separate legal system to the rest of the United Kingdom. There are exceptions to that rule, such as in immigration and military law, for which there is a unified judicial system for the whole United Kingdom.

https://www.gov.uk/appeal-against-crown-court-verdict

Same in England and Wales.

Appeal a Crown Court decision

How to appeal a decision by a Crown Court. Find out which forms you'll need and what the appeal process involves.

https://www.gov.uk/appeal-against-crown-court-verdict

Efacsen · 23/07/2026 16:38

placemats · 23/07/2026 16:36

Thank you - I just find it extraordiary

pointythings · 23/07/2026 16:39

I really hope Donaldson doesn't wriggle out. Vile man.

In other news DS is post op and doing well albeit with a lot of pain. He's just got to wait out the post op period and then I can take him back to our hotel. We're taking taxis, obvs. And I did get back into the National Gallery, it was spectacular.

SerendipityJane · 23/07/2026 17:01

SerendipityJane · 23/07/2026 16:09

Nigel Farage continues to do his silent nocturnal canine impression. This may be the longest period he hasn't been on the BBC for years.

Still, lest we forget.

Interesting it's taken this long to "review". It's either censorship an editorial decision, or just shite "AI".

Efacsen · 23/07/2026 17:01

pointythings · 23/07/2026 16:39

I really hope Donaldson doesn't wriggle out. Vile man.

In other news DS is post op and doing well albeit with a lot of pain. He's just got to wait out the post op period and then I can take him back to our hotel. We're taking taxis, obvs. And I did get back into the National Gallery, it was spectacular.

Sorry to hear DS is in so much pain - can they not keep him in overnight to get his pain under control?

Pleased to hear that the op went well and that you enjoyed your visit to the Nat Gallery

DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 17:05

All the best to DS pointy

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pointythings · 23/07/2026 17:19

Efacsen · 23/07/2026 17:01

Sorry to hear DS is in so much pain - can they not keep him in overnight to get his pain under control?

Pleased to hear that the op went well and that you enjoyed your visit to the Nat Gallery

Post op pain is normal. He's been given heavy duty painkillers and a prescription for a small amount more. In recovery terms, the sooner he is up and about, the better. As it is he is looking at 6 to 8 weeks before it's settled, and he will need help with daily living for the first 3 weeks. Which is why he's coming back to mine for that bit.

It's all doable, he's lived with chronic pain for many years.

BIossomtoes · 23/07/2026 17:45

I do wish senior sources wouldn’t use terms like “cloth eared”. It looks like a viable option to me.

Spandauer · 23/07/2026 17:47

Best wishes for a speedy recovery to your DS @pointythings You must be relieved and happy it's now done! 💐

@itsgettingweird good news re no cancer and hope it turns out to be solvable and totally benign. 💐

DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 17:49

Completely missed your update @itsgettingweird , good news and hopefully they find out what it is. Flowers

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