Thread 1 Burnham: Esperanza en cada Corazón

[DuncinToffee]

New PM, new thread

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I need to look at Lucy Powell. I was glad BP went and quite like LP's persona but know nothing of her education views.

It's often a post that is filled with people who are personable - like they think teachers just need a nice chat- but know very little! However, it is at its worst when someone messianic comes along (Gove... shudder but Blunkett was also terrible).

I agree Duncin. It was my fault for allowing myself to be drawn into that. I should have sat on my hands.

Yes - it's the 'Burnham' in the thread title which is most likely the trigger for some of the 'visitors'

Maybe just have B instead?

It will all settle down again soon.

We could always call ourselves Fangirls. I.e. Fangirls 1 [subtitle here]. Preferably in forrin. However, I'm sure our 'monitoring team' will find us.

A quick test to see if someone is dim or not is to see how they engage in debate. The biggest tell being the "If not this then that" fallacy.

Another test is to see if further discussion reveals shibboleths that may prove a bar to arriving at a solution. A casual example from our shared history is Rwanda. Any "discussion" over how to treat refugees had to result in the answer "Rwanda" or the debate wasn't valid.

Now I'm not saying that "means testing" is an anagram of "Rwanda" - that's for others to say. But I'm getting that vibe.

As for houses being assets - well that's your problem right there. As long as you treat housing, health, education, energy and water as commodities rather than the essentials for every human being in society, you will breed the greed that eventually corrodes us all.

As few people remember to quote correctly, "for the love of money is the root of all evil."

Has anyone asked ChatGPT to knock up a couple of hundred words to explain hy lower fuel bills will lead to the collapse of western society ?

E2A:For non believers, see if todays Wordle at ;least prompts a candle 😀

Once again that's an interesting take. People are welcome. As I said, I came late to the threads and have always felt welcome. I wouldn't come in and try to cause arguments and disrupt though. Like I wouldn't go into long running threads on keeping horses and argue about things that are important to horse keepers. It's common courtesy.

And now I'll go back to ignoring posts that are trying to cause division.

Sadly some people would do exactly that in a pub!

Chris Bryant is the new Secretary of State for Northern Ireland , I missed that last night

I had not heard of Miatta Fahnbulleh, but I have seen positive replies to her appointment.

If not this: that.

I bet this doesn't get a spotlight

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2vd3qgjy9o

I had a laugh at today's wordle,

Unemployment was expected to rise as well.

It's almost as if something has been happening these past two years, isn't it ?

You have shared your opinion and other people have responded to you and explained they disagree.
There is no point in trying to force a prolonged back and forth about means testing SRP when the people you are addressing have already been clear they don't agree, and that 'how to reduce welfare' isn't the subject of the thread.
Most posters here want to prioritise other options for improving the country over welfare cuts and are not going to 'see the light' as you might see it as a result of you hamnering home your views.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that's important. But its also important to respect when people are saying they don't want to discuss the thing you do on a thread created for another purpose.

Putting the boot in!

Darren Jones, who was sacked as chief secretary to the prime minister in Burnham’s reshuffle, raised doubts over the funding.
He said the digital ID project was unfunded and questioned how the VAT cut would be paid for. In a post on X, he said: “Good news that VAT will be cut on electricity bills. It’s a simple way for families to save a few quid, and to mechanically help to keep inflation that little bit lower.
“But the DigitalID program was unfunded. The government will have to set out how it will pay for its new policies at the budget.”

But it is still a fact that money that was planned on being spent on Digital ID is now going to be spent on something else.

How come if I want an unfunded holiday, I have to sit at home and look at postcards.

But when the government wants an unfunded item, they still get it ?

Remind me again about how you are supposed to run a country like a household ?

@DuncinToffee maybe we should in future put something in the OP to make it clear what we are about:

"Welcome to our long running, left-leaning thread for political discussion, general chit chat, a friendly hug and taxes in kind"

I think any MNer with an interest in politics is aware of the leanings of this thread and posters

And newbies will realise soon enough.

I really don't want it to go the way as the other thread

I agree. The onus is on us to refuse to engage with the incursions. I fed the fire last night when I should have had some self control and taken my own advice. Hopefully as time goes on we’ll have to deal with less of it.

I think the trouble with that is that people want to attack the left so it actually invites them in.

Someone on MN once started a safe space for Corbynites/ left wing Labour not long after Starmer started. That was rapidly invaded so those people could be told how wrong they were.

A trans support thread once went predictably.

I think we would need a really really opaque title. It's the name of the politician in the thread title that is the bait.

Off topic, but late last night I thought I could smell smoke. Then again this morning. It turns out there is a wildfire and the smoke has drifted over a very large area. Really worrying.

www.itv.com/news/wales/2026-07-21/firefighters-tackling-significant-wildfire-in-blaenavon

Ha, me too! A MN favourite!

I think it was mostly about a change of PM name at exactly the time the PM changed in a way that some (on both sides) weren’t keen on, plus that meaning it’s a thread 1. Hopefully they’ll get bored and potter off elsewhere when the misunderstanding about the thread becomes clear.
I rather wish Streeting was out on his ear. I can’t think of many Labour MPs I’d trust less with defence to be honest - even if he is a second choice there are better second choices out there.

I helped! I think we just need to ignore and remind each other to do so.