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Labour isn't Working - Thread 37

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NoWordForFluffy · 14/07/2026 14:37

In Nuthatch's absence, I've been asked to start the new thread!

A chat thread for those of us who don't like this Labour government.

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5548208-labour-isnt-working-thread-36?page=1

Labour isn't Working - Thread 37
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justasking111 · Today 19:10

DancingFerret · Today 10:30

The only positive I could draw from listening to AB's entirely non-committal responses to LK's questions last night is his voice doesn't make my stomach contract in the way it did when listening to Starmer's flat self- delivery or Reeves's honking tones.

TBH, I wasn't expecting to hear anything groundbreaking so early in his premiership, but his comments about the council tax disparity between the north and the south indicate we're in his sights - and not in a good way.

No-one should be fooled by those batting camel eyelashes and soothing northern tones.

Council tax on our patch in n Wales is higher than in areas of the south east. This is domestic and commercial. I keep meaning to check this out on Rightmove to compare accurately.

strawberrybubblegum · Today 19:13

SpaceRaccoon · Today 17:54

The problem with that though is that the actual cost of square meterage of a home varies so much depending on area, so then you might have the same bill for people with very very different incomes.

And that's fine. We don't need to control for income on every tax.

Increase income tax if you want to tax income more.

Nuthatch26 · Today 19:16

placemats · Today 18:46

Bless you 🙏

Was just having an interesting chat about how to solve the problem about the council tax. And yet you had to spoil it all by saying something stupid.

You almost got through a whole thread without plopping - almost.

Interested in this thread?

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SpaceRaccoon · Today 19:18

strawberrybubblegum · Today 19:13

And that's fine. We don't need to control for income on every tax.

Increase income tax if you want to tax income more.

Fair point.

Squirrelsarecleverbastards · Today 19:18

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DrPrunesqualer · Today 19:27

Nuthatch26 · Today 18:30

Blimey, thats two Labour supporters visiting this week. We are popular.

I hope you don’t mean me 🤣

I’ve been here before and def not Labour ( I’m Conservative )
but I agree with This 10% IHT instead of the extg system

GiaGia16 · Today 19:28

DrPrunesqualer · Today 19:27

I hope you don’t mean me 🤣

I’ve been here before and def not Labour ( I’m Conservative )
but I agree with This 10% IHT instead of the extg system

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Not you.

Nuthatch26 · Today 19:32

DrPrunesqualer · Today 19:27

I hope you don’t mean me 🤣

I’ve been here before and def not Labour ( I’m Conservative )
but I agree with This 10% IHT instead of the extg system

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Definitely not you Dr.
I don't always agree with you, but respect your opinions. You've also got fucking manners, unlike others.

Nuthatch26 · Today 19:35

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Oh dear. Are they hunting in packs again? Sigh.

You would think they'd all be happy this week. Obviously not.

Nuthatch26 · Today 19:40

To be fair, if I was a Labour fan, I'd be pissed off too if the 'Burnham bounce' only amounts to the heady heights of.....<<drumroll>>....being level with Reform in the polls. 😂😂

Should've stuck with Bollard 🤣🤣

strawberrybubblegum · Today 19:42

Squirrelsarecleverbastards · Today 17:40

Bur there no poll tax at the moment and council tax is used for services, so if there is a reform for the way housing is taxed it still makes sense to pay for services accordingly.

A bigger house does not mean more services usage.

It's a political choice: whether to have a taxes based on house size, or whether to have a poll tax - or both. How high to set income tax, whether to have a wealth tax etc.

My point is that having a tax based on house value (whether council, mansion, or a wealth tax which is only on housing rather than total wealth) is unfair in a country with so much house price disparity. It's also overly complex and expensive to administer.

Our current council tax system was also based on house prices (now out of date) and that's also wrong. Admittedly there wasn't the same house price disparity when it was first introduced, so it wasn't quite as unfair as it will be if it's recalculated on current house prices.

Service usage is a reasonable thing to charge for - in which case a poll tax makes sense. And adjust income tax, if you want to continue to soak the rich more - at least it's honest.

Paying for social care as part of council tax was probably an attempt to make councils more responsible - by making them face the music for their spending. But councils are pretty incompetent at money management, so that backfired.

I also actually think social care is a cost which should be shared across the country. But honestly, as a clear tranche of government redistribution.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 19:45

Nuthatch26 · Today 19:40

To be fair, if I was a Labour fan, I'd be pissed off too if the 'Burnham bounce' only amounts to the heady heights of.....<<drumroll>>....being level with Reform in the polls. 😂😂

Should've stuck with Bollard 🤣🤣

I thought the same!

justasking111 · Today 19:52

strawberrybubblegum · Today 19:42

It's a political choice: whether to have a taxes based on house size, or whether to have a poll tax - or both. How high to set income tax, whether to have a wealth tax etc.

My point is that having a tax based on house value (whether council, mansion, or a wealth tax which is only on housing rather than total wealth) is unfair in a country with so much house price disparity. It's also overly complex and expensive to administer.

Our current council tax system was also based on house prices (now out of date) and that's also wrong. Admittedly there wasn't the same house price disparity when it was first introduced, so it wasn't quite as unfair as it will be if it's recalculated on current house prices.

Service usage is a reasonable thing to charge for - in which case a poll tax makes sense. And adjust income tax, if you want to continue to soak the rich more - at least it's honest.

Paying for social care as part of council tax was probably an attempt to make councils more responsible - by making them face the music for their spending. But councils are pretty incompetent at money management, so that backfired.

I also actually think social care is a cost which should be shared across the country. But honestly, as a clear tranche of government redistribution.

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Social care is 25% of our council tax income according to latest figures.

Squirrelsarecleverbastards · Today 19:55

Nuthatch26 · Today 19:35

Oh dear. Are they hunting in packs again? Sigh.

You would think they'd all be happy this week. Obviously not.

Best use of shared brain cells.

strawberrybubblegum · Today 20:01

justasking111 · Today 19:52

Social care is 25% of our council tax income according to latest figures.

Is that adult social care?

Note that they usually break out children's social care.

They sometimes also break out housing benefit, carer benefit and incapacity benefit - which are actually part of social care. If they
break up the spending into different segments/lines on the graph (often spread out) they think we won't notice what it adds up to Confused

What percentage of the spending is on council services which are used by everyone - eg fire service, police, roads, culture - rather than being redistribution?

strawberrybubblegum · Today 20:04

I am so incredibly fed up of all the hidden redistribution.

Not only because it ends up causing distortion and unfairness, but because it's dishonest.

Social levies on energy, not taxing benefits, free bloody attractions for the 50% of the population on benefits.

I have zero trust in our society any more.

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