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Labour isn't Working - Thread 37

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NoWordForFluffy · 14/07/2026 14:37

In Nuthatch's absence, I've been asked to start the new thread!

A chat thread for those of us who don't like this Labour government.

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5548208-labour-isnt-working-thread-36?page=1

Labour isn't Working - Thread 37
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justasking111 · 28/07/2026 19:10

DancingFerret · 28/07/2026 10:30

The only positive I could draw from listening to AB's entirely non-committal responses to LK's questions last night is his voice doesn't make my stomach contract in the way it did when listening to Starmer's flat self- delivery or Reeves's honking tones.

TBH, I wasn't expecting to hear anything groundbreaking so early in his premiership, but his comments about the council tax disparity between the north and the south indicate we're in his sights - and not in a good way.

No-one should be fooled by those batting camel eyelashes and soothing northern tones.

Council tax on our patch in n Wales is higher than in areas of the south east. This is domestic and commercial. I keep meaning to check this out on Rightmove to compare accurately.

strawberrybubblegum · 28/07/2026 19:13

SpaceRaccoon · 28/07/2026 17:54

The problem with that though is that the actual cost of square meterage of a home varies so much depending on area, so then you might have the same bill for people with very very different incomes.

And that's fine. We don't need to control for income on every tax.

Increase income tax if you want to tax income more.

Nuthatch26 · 28/07/2026 19:16

placemats · 28/07/2026 18:46

Bless you 🙏

Was just having an interesting chat about how to solve the problem about the council tax. And yet you had to spoil it all by saying something stupid.

You almost got through a whole thread without plopping - almost.

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SpaceRaccoon · 28/07/2026 19:18

strawberrybubblegum · 28/07/2026 19:13

And that's fine. We don't need to control for income on every tax.

Increase income tax if you want to tax income more.

Fair point.

Squirrelsarecleverbastards · 28/07/2026 19:18

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DrPrunesqualer · 28/07/2026 19:27

Nuthatch26 · 28/07/2026 18:30

Blimey, thats two Labour supporters visiting this week. We are popular.

I hope you don’t mean me 🤣

I’ve been here before and def not Labour ( I’m Conservative )
but I agree with This 10% IHT instead of the extg system

GiaGia16 · 28/07/2026 19:28

DrPrunesqualer · 28/07/2026 19:27

I hope you don’t mean me 🤣

I’ve been here before and def not Labour ( I’m Conservative )
but I agree with This 10% IHT instead of the extg system

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Not you.

Nuthatch26 · 28/07/2026 19:32

DrPrunesqualer · 28/07/2026 19:27

I hope you don’t mean me 🤣

I’ve been here before and def not Labour ( I’m Conservative )
but I agree with This 10% IHT instead of the extg system

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Definitely not you Dr.
I don't always agree with you, but respect your opinions. You've also got fucking manners, unlike others.

Nuthatch26 · 28/07/2026 19:35

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Oh dear. Are they hunting in packs again? Sigh.

You would think they'd all be happy this week. Obviously not.

Nuthatch26 · 28/07/2026 19:40

To be fair, if I was a Labour fan, I'd be pissed off too if the 'Burnham bounce' only amounts to the heady heights of.....<<drumroll>>....being level with Reform in the polls. 😂😂

Should've stuck with Bollard 🤣🤣

strawberrybubblegum · 28/07/2026 19:42

Squirrelsarecleverbastards · 28/07/2026 17:40

Bur there no poll tax at the moment and council tax is used for services, so if there is a reform for the way housing is taxed it still makes sense to pay for services accordingly.

A bigger house does not mean more services usage.

It's a political choice: whether to have a taxes based on house size, or whether to have a poll tax - or both. How high to set income tax, whether to have a wealth tax etc.

My point is that having a tax based on house value (whether council, mansion, or a wealth tax which is only on housing rather than total wealth) is unfair in a country with so much house price disparity. It's also overly complex and expensive to administer.

Our current council tax system was also based on house prices (now out of date) and that's also wrong. Admittedly there wasn't the same house price disparity when it was first introduced, so it wasn't quite as unfair as it will be if it's recalculated on current house prices.

Service usage is a reasonable thing to charge for - in which case a poll tax makes sense. And adjust income tax, if you want to continue to soak the rich more - at least it's honest.

Paying for social care as part of council tax was probably an attempt to make councils more responsible - by making them face the music for their spending. But councils are pretty incompetent at money management, so that backfired.

I also actually think social care is a cost which should be shared across the country. But honestly, as a clear tranche of government redistribution.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/07/2026 19:45

Nuthatch26 · 28/07/2026 19:40

To be fair, if I was a Labour fan, I'd be pissed off too if the 'Burnham bounce' only amounts to the heady heights of.....<<drumroll>>....being level with Reform in the polls. 😂😂

Should've stuck with Bollard 🤣🤣

I thought the same!

justasking111 · 28/07/2026 19:52

strawberrybubblegum · 28/07/2026 19:42

It's a political choice: whether to have a taxes based on house size, or whether to have a poll tax - or both. How high to set income tax, whether to have a wealth tax etc.

My point is that having a tax based on house value (whether council, mansion, or a wealth tax which is only on housing rather than total wealth) is unfair in a country with so much house price disparity. It's also overly complex and expensive to administer.

Our current council tax system was also based on house prices (now out of date) and that's also wrong. Admittedly there wasn't the same house price disparity when it was first introduced, so it wasn't quite as unfair as it will be if it's recalculated on current house prices.

Service usage is a reasonable thing to charge for - in which case a poll tax makes sense. And adjust income tax, if you want to continue to soak the rich more - at least it's honest.

Paying for social care as part of council tax was probably an attempt to make councils more responsible - by making them face the music for their spending. But councils are pretty incompetent at money management, so that backfired.

I also actually think social care is a cost which should be shared across the country. But honestly, as a clear tranche of government redistribution.

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Social care is 25% of our council tax income according to latest figures.

Squirrelsarecleverbastards · 28/07/2026 19:55

Nuthatch26 · 28/07/2026 19:35

Oh dear. Are they hunting in packs again? Sigh.

You would think they'd all be happy this week. Obviously not.

Best use of shared brain cells.

strawberrybubblegum · 28/07/2026 20:01

justasking111 · 28/07/2026 19:52

Social care is 25% of our council tax income according to latest figures.

Is that adult social care?

Note that they usually break out children's social care.

They sometimes also break out housing benefit, carer benefit and incapacity benefit - which are actually part of social care. If they
break up the spending into different segments/lines on the graph (often spread out) they think we won't notice what it adds up to Confused

What percentage of the spending is on council services which are used by everyone - eg fire service, police, roads, culture - rather than being redistribution?

strawberrybubblegum · 28/07/2026 20:04

I am so incredibly fed up of all the hidden redistribution.

Not only because it ends up causing distortion and unfairness, but because it's dishonest.

Social levies on energy, not taxing benefits, free bloody attractions for the 50% of the population on benefits.

I have zero trust in our society any more.

Binnyforthewin · 28/07/2026 20:24

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/07/2026 19:45

I thought the same!

I think he will bounce higher yet. People are easily fooled.

The Bus Fare cap is just reverting to what the conservative policy was before Starmer increased it.

The reduction in business rates for pubs is still only a small proportion of the Labour increase in rates for pubs.

The VAT on energy bills was an unfunded cock up.

This techical education is in essence what every PM since Brown has announced. T-levels etc. No one ever achieves it. Fundamentally it is not possible to have equal prestige to technical and academic until high achievers are attracted to technical which is not going to happen.

Reducing NI for employing youngsters is just a reversal of the Reeves NI hikes.

So far is just seems to be going back to Sunak's plan. He doing well at presenting reversing Reeves shit decisions as if they are new exciting policy.

Squirrelsarecleverbastards · 28/07/2026 20:38

He probably will, but not enough to comfortably call a GE.

Cantquitebelievewhatitscometo · 28/07/2026 20:48

well their latest headline is £4.5k for parents on benefits whose kids sign up for an apprenticeship. To stop the benefit trap, as 16 and 17 year olds moving to work from education will impact benefits. I thought their stance was 16 year olds were mature adults who should have the vote.

How can they keep throwing money at benefits? They are scalping every worker in this country to fund this largesse to their voting base. They are despicable.

AreWeHavingAnotherOrNot · 28/07/2026 20:49

Just had a deja vu moment.
Cut welfare and we’ll rebel, Labour MPs warn Burnham

I hope he manages to get the cuts through even if he has to sack them. Otherwise we are just repeating KS and digging ourselves further into debt.

GiaGia16 · 28/07/2026 21:04

AreWeHavingAnotherOrNot · 28/07/2026 20:49

Just had a deja vu moment.
Cut welfare and we’ll rebel, Labour MPs warn Burnham

I hope he manages to get the cuts through even if he has to sack them. Otherwise we are just repeating KS and digging ourselves further into debt.

Yeah just sack them. Bye.

Cantquitebelievewhatitscometo · 28/07/2026 21:04

None of this shower are cutting anything from welfare. It’s all they have to offer. The only upside is if the short term mess they make will finally trigger the actual root and branch redesign of welfare that is desperately needed for the society we have rather than the landscape of 50 years ago.

Nuthatch26 · 28/07/2026 21:17

Cantquitebelievewhatitscometo · 28/07/2026 20:48

well their latest headline is £4.5k for parents on benefits whose kids sign up for an apprenticeship. To stop the benefit trap, as 16 and 17 year olds moving to work from education will impact benefits. I thought their stance was 16 year olds were mature adults who should have the vote.

How can they keep throwing money at benefits? They are scalping every worker in this country to fund this largesse to their voting base. They are despicable.

That will go down like a bucket of cold sick with the electorate 😬

Nuthatch26 · 28/07/2026 21:20

AreWeHavingAnotherOrNot · 28/07/2026 20:49

Just had a deja vu moment.
Cut welfare and we’ll rebel, Labour MPs warn Burnham

I hope he manages to get the cuts through even if he has to sack them. Otherwise we are just repeating KS and digging ourselves further into debt.

Labour won't like this:
Mr McFadden’s reforms are expected to take inspiration from the Netherlands, where young recipients can be required to join community projects such as litter picking, repairing playgrounds and spending time with the elderly.On a visit to Rotterdam in the Netherlands last month, the Work and Pensions Secretary said that Britain was writing off too many young people and should “learn from their approach”.

Binnyforthewin · 28/07/2026 21:21

Nuthatch26 · 28/07/2026 21:17

That will go down like a bucket of cold sick with the electorate 😬

I struggle with the idea that any parent would encourage their child to not work because it it would reduce the amount of dole that the parent gets? Self interest of your child's interests/ Maybe that is why I'm not a Labour voter.

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