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Labour isn't Working - Thread 37

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NoWordForFluffy · 14/07/2026 14:37

In Nuthatch's absence, I've been asked to start the new thread!

A chat thread for those of us who don't like this Labour government.

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5548208-labour-isnt-working-thread-36?page=1

Labour isn't Working - Thread 37
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justasking111 · Yesterday 19:28

The unions put Burnham on the throne. The militant backbenchers may be put in their place by them.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 19:32

Evening all 😁

Sorry I haven't been on for a while. My life is chaos rn so haven't had time. Work, kids, pets, house falling apart etc, etc. I'm sure you've all been there. Need to catch up on politics and housework. 😂

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 19:35

NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 18:49

Oh, there's a thread on the local Facebook Page about Binface's Clacton manifesto. It's rather amusing!

Haha, I hope you visit. Please share a photo of the hands dryer if you go. 🙏
Love the manifesto. Filling potholes with the Labour manifesto is. 👌
Glad to see that renaming HS2 as FFS1 is still on the menu.

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DancingFerret · Yesterday 19:39

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 19:32

Evening all 😁

Sorry I haven't been on for a while. My life is chaos rn so haven't had time. Work, kids, pets, house falling apart etc, etc. I'm sure you've all been there. Need to catch up on politics and housework. 😂

Ah, lesser spotted @Nuthatch26. I thought you were quiet...

Top tip: Housework is not the antidote to stress (unless you happen to be wired that way). Suggest you join me for a glass of something interesting.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 19:49

DancingFerret · Yesterday 19:39

Ah, lesser spotted @Nuthatch26. I thought you were quiet...

Top tip: Housework is not the antidote to stress (unless you happen to be wired that way). Suggest you join me for a glass of something interesting.

Lesser spotted indeed. Sorry, I've been chasing my tail and can't keep up with life. I seriously considered quitting my job today. I was working 3 hours drive away, yet was also needed at home. The joys of being a working Mum. Anyway, I'm off work for a few days so can get myself sorted, and hopefully get DD back on her horse.

I am 'wired that way'. I'm a stress cleaner, which is helpful because I am very stressed, and the house looks like we've had squatters. Win win. 😂

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 20:18

justasking111 · Yesterday 19:20

I've something to make you smile @SapphireCasino .

This is so funny 😁
There were rumours that Reeves had been offered Defence but turned it down. Listening to Ed Balls today, he said Reeves was actually offered Education, and possibly also offered Defence but refused both.
Lucy Powell was expecting Deputy PM, and Education. She must be annoyed that she wasn't first pick, and also didn't get Deputy PM.

justasking111 · Yesterday 20:22

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 20:18

This is so funny 😁
There were rumours that Reeves had been offered Defence but turned it down. Listening to Ed Balls today, he said Reeves was actually offered Education, and possibly also offered Defence but refused both.
Lucy Powell was expecting Deputy PM, and Education. She must be annoyed that she wasn't first pick, and also didn't get Deputy PM.

Glad you enjoyed the laugh. Youngest also pointed out. Needs an Oxford comma 🤣🤣

inkognitha · Yesterday 21:11

tl;dr; KB should not enter a pre-election alliance with Reform and I am verbose about it, sorry all, got carried away.

I am all for Kemi Badenoch talking, listening and trying to appeal to Reform voters (to an extent), but she should not enter an alliance with Reform before the election.

First and foremost, Farage is too polarising. If there was a pre-election agreement, I could well imagine Labour, all the loony left and the national parties deciding to go for a maxi-coalition "All against the right, Reform and the Tories!". They are usually crap at working together (looking at you, Your Party) but to give a rubbing to Nigel and their ancestral enemy, the Conservatives, they could well pull it off.

And Reform is not in its best shape, the wind is a bit out of their sails, they seem to have plateau'd and not been able to turn support into enough seats. Nigel got all stroppy and threw his toys out of the pram about his 5mil and Posh George, he is in a mess of a byelection against a selection of weirdos in dress up costumes ordered from Temu (sorry, Count Binface, a part of me still loves you), with an ongoing investigation that will pop its head in the near future. And I don't think he wants to be PM for real.

And who wants to share power with Nigel Farage? Because that never ends well for those who have tried, thoughts to Rupert and many others.

She does not need the aggro while she looks more and more every day like the strong, confident, resolute one on the right, who REALLY wants to be in charge and more than ready to do the tough jobs, not just a protest vote and a diatribe while clutching a pint and a fag.

Her star is rising, she is hitting the right note in terms of image and message, right where voters are even if they don't know or admit it yet, more centre-right than Labour/Lib Dems, showing clearly that the "progressive" stronghold over policy and culture will stop with her, yet not Nigel, more respectable than Reform and its shady foreign/crypto money, more traditionally British than their US-style politics, less excessive/racist/xenophobic, more professional and able to get things done in Whitehall than the Reform newbies.

She would lose all this appeal with an alliance. It's a much bigger pool of potential voters to alienate than the people on the right who are ok with Farage and his ideas but for some reason will downgrade to voting for the Tories.

Her biggest issue is still the Tory legacy. But she has recently taken the right steps in that direction too. Her speech last week was very good in that effect.

But after a GE, depending on the results, it would be something else...

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · Yesterday 21:21

redange · Yesterday 18:18

I have been around or interested in Politics for over 30 years and I cannot for the life of me understand what Andy Burnham has done in his first week to move Labour from 19%-28%! The mind boggles at the stupidity and ignorance of the UK electorate. More In Common: Labour 28% Reform 24% Conservative 22% Lib Dem 12% Greens 8%. What seems to have happened is that Green Voters have flocked back to 'Labour' which in itself is frightening has to what Burnham is Planning to do to keep the nut jobs who would vote Green.

However, in some-ways it makes the situation more obvious to Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. This, being for this country to exist in anything like a normal functioning Capitalist state, they have got to work together otherwise we are truly 'screwed' with no way out other than to become a third World Basket Case of a Country..

I suspect your analysis is broadly right. It would always be much easier for Labour to win back votes that went Green from Labour, rather than those that’ve gone to Reform. It won’t help Labour with the constituency-specific ‘pro’-Palestine vote but it would show up in national polls.

Reform voters who were formally Labour are motivated by being anti-immigration and anti-trans rights etc nonsense. Burnham’s said nothing about those. His performative folksy northernness and (almost certainly bogus) left-wing noises have convinced back some left-wingers.

Of course that does show that the Labour left is full of half-wits. But we knew that anyway.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · Yesterday 21:32

NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 18:47

I certainly wouldn't vote Tory if I thought they'd go into a coalition with Reform. Absolutely no way. I'd be left without a vote if that was mooted (unless we had a decent independent, which we never have since I've been here).

You Gov has a far more even poll than MiC.

What I do think we're seeing is the more moderate Reform supporters (those who are more like the right of the Tories, rather than those who are closer to Restore) being turned off by all of the financial shenanigans.

Plus Labour were always going to get a 'Burnham Bounce'.

What happens in 3 years is yet to be seen, but all parties have the chance to win more voters round (as well as lose them!) before then!

Burnham's first big test will be the Budget, I think. Let's see what happens then (please god do better than Reeves)!

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I agree.

I’ve never liked Reform and have been suspicious about it from day one. It is an unpleasant outfit IMO.

The financial stuff will bring them down. It would be disastrous for any party to link arms with Reform now.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 21:34

inkognitha · Yesterday 21:11

tl;dr; KB should not enter a pre-election alliance with Reform and I am verbose about it, sorry all, got carried away.

I am all for Kemi Badenoch talking, listening and trying to appeal to Reform voters (to an extent), but she should not enter an alliance with Reform before the election.

First and foremost, Farage is too polarising. If there was a pre-election agreement, I could well imagine Labour, all the loony left and the national parties deciding to go for a maxi-coalition "All against the right, Reform and the Tories!". They are usually crap at working together (looking at you, Your Party) but to give a rubbing to Nigel and their ancestral enemy, the Conservatives, they could well pull it off.

And Reform is not in its best shape, the wind is a bit out of their sails, they seem to have plateau'd and not been able to turn support into enough seats. Nigel got all stroppy and threw his toys out of the pram about his 5mil and Posh George, he is in a mess of a byelection against a selection of weirdos in dress up costumes ordered from Temu (sorry, Count Binface, a part of me still loves you), with an ongoing investigation that will pop its head in the near future. And I don't think he wants to be PM for real.

And who wants to share power with Nigel Farage? Because that never ends well for those who have tried, thoughts to Rupert and many others.

She does not need the aggro while she looks more and more every day like the strong, confident, resolute one on the right, who REALLY wants to be in charge and more than ready to do the tough jobs, not just a protest vote and a diatribe while clutching a pint and a fag.

Her star is rising, she is hitting the right note in terms of image and message, right where voters are even if they don't know or admit it yet, more centre-right than Labour/Lib Dems, showing clearly that the "progressive" stronghold over policy and culture will stop with her, yet not Nigel, more respectable than Reform and its shady foreign/crypto money, more traditionally British than their US-style politics, less excessive/racist/xenophobic, more professional and able to get things done in Whitehall than the Reform newbies.

She would lose all this appeal with an alliance. It's a much bigger pool of potential voters to alienate than the people on the right who are ok with Farage and his ideas but for some reason will downgrade to voting for the Tories.

Her biggest issue is still the Tory legacy. But she has recently taken the right steps in that direction too. Her speech last week was very good in that effect.

But after a GE, depending on the results, it would be something else...

Agree with all of that. I have also seen some polling that indicated a pre-election pact would be damaging to both parties at the ballot box.

Perhaps there are conversations behind closed doors, and there may be something to organise after an election, but not before. Kemi was spot on to hold her ground when others have been pushing for a coalition.

justasking111 · Yesterday 21:50

Reform are doing well in Wales with support from the conservatives and Labour. Plaid really have to up their game politics wise. Sending trees and condoms to Uganda etc. welcoming immigrants aka nation of sanctuary has clobber their support. We need a budget and theirs is a hot mess.

So I agree that any agreements should be post a general election.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 22:00

justasking111 · Yesterday 21:50

Reform are doing well in Wales with support from the conservatives and Labour. Plaid really have to up their game politics wise. Sending trees and condoms to Uganda etc. welcoming immigrants aka nation of sanctuary has clobber their support. We need a budget and theirs is a hot mess.

So I agree that any agreements should be post a general election.

I haven't seen much on the state of play in Wales since the election. You don't paint a pretty picture of Plaid so far. Why are they sending condoms to Uganda btw?

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 22:05

The Greater Manchester mayoral election is this week. Most people I've asked didn't even know it was happening, or that the voting system had been changed.
I suspect turnout may be low, and there will be some confusion on how to vote.

justasking111 · Yesterday 22:08

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 22:00

I haven't seen much on the state of play in Wales since the election. You don't paint a pretty picture of Plaid so far. Why are they sending condoms to Uganda btw?

Gawd knows why. Except they're somewhat anti contraception there.

OH the politics have been such fun. Reform are much smarter than Plaid. Who are embarrassing at times. The first minister is lost for words at times at some of the proposals made by his party. It's very entertaining.

justasking111 · Yesterday 22:11

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 22:05

The Greater Manchester mayoral election is this week. Most people I've asked didn't even know it was happening, or that the voting system had been changed.
I suspect turnout may be low, and there will be some confusion on how to vote.

Really, we hadn't heard a word from our media.

justasking111 · Yesterday 22:14

OH good grief

"The Greater Manchester Mayoral contest: What is the Supplementary Vote system and how does it work? | ITV News Granada" https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2026-07-27/greater-manchester-mayoral-contest-what-is-the-supplementary-vote-system

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 23:06

justasking111 · Yesterday 22:14

OH good grief

"The Greater Manchester Mayoral contest: What is the Supplementary Vote system and how does it work? | ITV News Granada" https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2026-07-27/greater-manchester-mayoral-contest-what-is-the-supplementary-vote-system

Ikr 🤷‍♂️

I follow politics so I know about it, but most don't. I keep asking friends and colleagues but most are oblivious.

seriouslycanthisgetWORSE · Today 07:23

Articles in the times today about how UK is now lagging behind on creating an environment where wealthy people want to live and stay
Followed by a chef saying half his black book clients have left but along with them ,house keepers ,drivers, nannies ,cleaners, pas and the mini eco systems around them

Nuthatch26 · Today 09:53

Good morning 😁

Well according to the Labour lot, capital flight isn't happening. Its all an illusion. Yeh, right. They also think that wealth taxes are a good idea.

redange · Today 10:06

How can the number of Millionaires go down, when the value of money has nearly halved over the last 20 years. There are only two answers the 1. depreciation in the number of successful entrepreneurial business being built from the ground up. 2. a huge growth in the number of families emigrating out to be replaced by, those who eat resources rather than contribute resources. I actually think even the Conservatives under May and Johnson actually wanted this to happen. The policies they advocated actually started the movement of money out which is now full on Warp Speed !

DancingFerret · Today 10:30

The only positive I could draw from listening to AB's entirely non-committal responses to LK's questions last night is his voice doesn't make my stomach contract in the way it did when listening to Starmer's flat self- delivery or Reeves's honking tones.

TBH, I wasn't expecting to hear anything groundbreaking so early in his premiership, but his comments about the council tax disparity between the north and the south indicate we're in his sights - and not in a good way.

No-one should be fooled by those batting camel eyelashes and soothing northern tones.

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