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Labour isn't Working - Thread 37

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NoWordForFluffy · 14/07/2026 14:37

In Nuthatch's absence, I've been asked to start the new thread!

A chat thread for those of us who don't like this Labour government.

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5548208-labour-isnt-working-thread-36?page=1

Labour isn't Working - Thread 37
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Nuthatch26 · 22/07/2026 13:05

SapphireCasino · 22/07/2026 10:40

Isn't it both Mahmood and Streeting who were caught on that joke?

I wouldn't mind so much, but I thought Mahmood using her apology to blame the Tories was really unpleasant. And undermined the whole apology, actually.

Actually, you're right to say that Mahmood is just as guilty as Streeting.
I had only read about it when I posted this morning, but I've just listened to the recording. She's laughing loudly at Streeting.

seriouslycanthisgetWORSE · 22/07/2026 13:35

Oh dear the mail has the other clip running directly behind them joking starmer " well I do critise the Tories early release scheme because they are releasing people who should still be in prison .

We do really deserve so much better they seem to have brains and memories like sieves

Nuthatch26 · 22/07/2026 13:46

seriouslycanthisgetWORSE · 22/07/2026 13:35

Oh dear the mail has the other clip running directly behind them joking starmer " well I do critise the Tories early release scheme because they are releasing people who should still be in prison .

We do really deserve so much better they seem to have brains and memories like sieves

Dear me. They don't help themselves.

Perhaps if they focused on doing their jobs for once, rather than slagging off other parties, there would be fewer receipts to come back and bite them. Such hypocrites.

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Middlerage · 22/07/2026 13:56

I’m in Cambridge at the moment - I had a friend (dc at state in v expensive post code) telling me that oxbridge is a bastion of upper class privilege for private school students - meanwhile, Cambridge has a huge residential programme where p school dc can’t apply (and that’s fine)…idk what happened to knowledge and excellence being valued for its own sake.

i suppose universities are never free from political interference or allegations of elitism and never
have been...

seriouslycanthisgetWORSE · 22/07/2026 14:14

Middle oxbridge is def opening up and getting more balance.
It's actually cheaper to attend than most other unis bar the ones in the north although it gives them a good run for their money.
The accmd and food is heavily subsided due to the wealth of the uni.

EasternStandard · 22/07/2026 14:33

Just saw the Streeting and Mahmood clip. Geez they like to laugh about stuff that is concerning people.

SpaceRaccoon · 22/07/2026 14:48

New net zero target is 2030?

Nuthatch26 · 22/07/2026 14:58

SpaceRaccoon · 22/07/2026 14:48

New net zero target is 2030?

I haven't seen anything on that Space.
Has there been another announcement?

SpaceRaccoon · 22/07/2026 15:02

Nuthatch26 · 22/07/2026 14:58

I haven't seen anything on that Space.
Has there been another announcement?

Ah, sorry, it's something she said previously as part of a think tank. Hopefully her new role will demand a more realistic approach.

Pacificwave · 22/07/2026 16:09

Middlerage · 22/07/2026 13:56

I’m in Cambridge at the moment - I had a friend (dc at state in v expensive post code) telling me that oxbridge is a bastion of upper class privilege for private school students - meanwhile, Cambridge has a huge residential programme where p school dc can’t apply (and that’s fine)…idk what happened to knowledge and excellence being valued for its own sake.

i suppose universities are never free from political interference or allegations of elitism and never
have been...

Knowledge and excellence being valued for its own sake is completely gone. No surprise we have so little knowledge and excellence in our society!

DancingFerret · 22/07/2026 16:53

We had quite an eventful, mainly positive, during our recent escape to the north from extremely hot Hampshire, but one incident has had me pondering the issue(s) of immigration and the refusal of some immigrants to accept our way of life.

At the beginning of last week we did a return trip on the West Coast line from Crianlarich to Oban. (Reports of the lovely scenery along that stretch are very accurate.)

All was well until we joined the queue waiting to board the train for the return journey. Immediately in front of us was what appeared to be a large family group from what's often described as the religion of peace, and they seemed to have a problem with our FFDog. Nothing was actually said, but the vibes were overwhelming. We ignored it.

On the train we were sitting within earshot of the family, and quite clearly heard one of the men hiss "filthy animal" at a terrier being led down the carriage by his owner. The dog owner stopped dead and stared menacingly at man, holding his gaze until the insulter looked away, before finding a seat.

Peace seemed to be restored until we reached Taynuilt, where the train stopped and remained in the station. Curious as to the delay, passengers were getting out and chatting on the platform. Extremely long story short, one of the youths in the family group had been caught at the end of the train stark naked whilst "pleasuring himself". The guards had called the police and were waiting for them to arrive. An information sign on the platform stated the train was delayed due to a disturbance amongst the passengers.

Uniformed police placed the youth in handcuffs and called CID to attend. Another wait. In the middle of this, the man who appeared to be the family patriarch was telling the police they were overreacting because the youth was "just doing what boys do". He really couldn't see the problem, didn't seem to understand the youth's behaviour was at best indecent. He got back on the train and a woman took his place, loudly saying her son was being victimised.

Eventually, the youth, still in handcuffs, along with his mother and another woman, and their luggage, were placed in a police van and taken away. The rest of the family continued their journey.

I spent most of the nearly two hours we were delayed on the platform chatting to four 50-something American women (three teachers and a correctional officer). They were great company, and had a plentiful supply of whisky miniatures which they insisted on sharing while discussing Trump amongst other things.

DH stayed on the train chatting to the terrier's owner while keeping FFDog and the terrier supplied with water.

Thinking back to that afternoon, the problem I have with successive governments' inability to control immigration is the fact there is no insistence that those allowed to stay in the UK should adopt our customs and respect our way of life. It appears to be all one-way traffic where we are obliged to facilitate and encompass the beliefs and lifestyle of those who come to our shores, whether legally or illegally.

Defence counsel for Vickrum Digwa's mother attempted to show her as being of good character by stating that while on remand she had been learning English - completely ignoring the fact that since she gave birth to her killer son in this country 23 years have elapsed.

Mahmood has her work cut out.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 23/07/2026 07:16

I spent some idle moments looking up the background to a few Burnham appointees I’d never heard of. Alex Norris - Justice Secretary and Lord Chancellor - was one of them.

He’s a strong example of Labour’s public sector and union class. Graduated, became a Labour councillor, worked for Unison and became an MP. Is married to another Labour MP who also seems to have lived and worked only in the public sector/NGO world.

It really is the rule of the lanyard.

NoWordForFluffy · 23/07/2026 08:15

He’s a strong example of Labour’s public sector and union class. Graduated, became a Labour councillor, worked for Unison and became an MP. Is married to another Labour MP who also seems to have lived and worked only in the public sector/NGO world.

Just what we need! These types of people really have no idea about the world outside of this bubble. It's how they fail to grow up and move away from sixth form-style politics.

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strawberrybubblegum · 23/07/2026 08:16

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 23/07/2026 07:16

I spent some idle moments looking up the background to a few Burnham appointees I’d never heard of. Alex Norris - Justice Secretary and Lord Chancellor - was one of them.

He’s a strong example of Labour’s public sector and union class. Graduated, became a Labour councillor, worked for Unison and became an MP. Is married to another Labour MP who also seems to have lived and worked only in the public sector/NGO world.

It really is the rule of the lanyard.

Dunning–Kruger effect in action: they don't have any awareness of what they don't know or understand.

strawberrybubblegum · 23/07/2026 08:19

Little things: like how to prioritise change and implement it effectively, consequences of policy choices, basic economics...

EasternStandard · 23/07/2026 08:32

strawberrybubblegum · 23/07/2026 08:19

Little things: like how to prioritise change and implement it effectively, consequences of policy choices, basic economics...

Basic economics made me laugh

SapphireCasino · 23/07/2026 08:38

@DenizenOfAisleOfShame I had a very frustrating conversation on a thread where it was argued that that was a good thing. That having solid experience of these types of jobs for years and years made you well placed to do well when you get into government

I'm always prepared to consider all points of view and I can see the advantage in knowing how the mechanisms of government work

But not knowing anything outside... not so much? As many of these threads do, it quickly just descended into some really ridiculous assertions.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 23/07/2026 08:53

SapphireCasino · 23/07/2026 08:38

@DenizenOfAisleOfShame I had a very frustrating conversation on a thread where it was argued that that was a good thing. That having solid experience of these types of jobs for years and years made you well placed to do well when you get into government

I'm always prepared to consider all points of view and I can see the advantage in knowing how the mechanisms of government work

But not knowing anything outside... not so much? As many of these threads do, it quickly just descended into some really ridiculous assertions.

I’m all for competent parliamentarians, but I don’t believe union or NGO or charity jobs prepare for that any better than any other job.

More to the point, though, politics shouldn’t be a job for its own sake. It’s supposed to be about running the country for everyone outside parliament. It’s not an office of Unison or Joseph Rowntree or Amnesty.

Middlerage · 23/07/2026 09:15

Unions - having heard the TUC head swearing up and down there was no adverse jobs impact to youth or anyone else from labour policies a week back..we used to have a notion of needing representation from all the different groups in a society in our politicians, and where is that now?
Most politicians by and large only have any experience of one area…and that does all feed into a lack of relatability.

EasternStandard · 23/07/2026 09:19

Gary Linekar wants to pay more tax. Why doesn’t he and others signing letters sign a vast cheque to HMRC instead?

Why wait?

38thparallel · 23/07/2026 09:24

EasternStandard · Today 09:19
Gary Linekar wants to pay more tax. Why doesn’t he and others signing letters sign a vast cheque to HMRC instead?
Why wait

Exactly.

Nuthatch26 · 23/07/2026 09:25

EasternStandard · 23/07/2026 09:19

Gary Linekar wants to pay more tax. Why doesn’t he and others signing letters sign a vast cheque to HMRC instead?

Why wait?

I was just reading about that. Massive eye roll. (Why does Lineker think anyone cares what he thinks btw?)

Just get on and pay more tax if that's your thing. No need to complain that you haven't been forced to, you can do it online. Just crack on and cough up. 🤷‍♂️

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 23/07/2026 09:27

I see the left wing super-rich are at it again, parading their ‘virtue’ as people willing to pay more tax. I’d love to know how many of them use accountants to minimise tax.

It’s also true, and often said, that everyone can pay more tax voluntarily. That’s always ignored by the left because it requires them to say “but everyone should be doing it, so until then I won’t pay extra”, which is embarrassing since it shows the ‘virtue’ to depend on others being no better off than them. That applies to the super-rich as much as to everyone else.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 23/07/2026 09:28

Hadn’t seen the recent posts so apologies for the repeat.

WildClover · 23/07/2026 09:32

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 23/07/2026 09:27

I see the left wing super-rich are at it again, parading their ‘virtue’ as people willing to pay more tax. I’d love to know how many of them use accountants to minimise tax.

It’s also true, and often said, that everyone can pay more tax voluntarily. That’s always ignored by the left because it requires them to say “but everyone should be doing it, so until then I won’t pay extra”, which is embarrassing since it shows the ‘virtue’ to depend on others being no better off than them. That applies to the super-rich as much as to everyone else.

I saw this elsewhere on mumsnet.....the attitude of who are these amazing millionaires is hilarious