A whole civilisation will die tonight.

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Tumps exact words today!

WTAF? That sounds like he is about to drop a Nuke!

How the hell has the world got here?

Trumps truth social posts sounds more like something that a dramatic gleeful tv presenter would say in a game show. Not something a world leader threatening to blow up an entire civilisation.

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-latest-trump-tehran-us-israel-kharg-island-netanyahu-lebanon-strikes-drone-live-sky-news-13509565

And who depends on infrastructure? How would you like yours blown up? They have already blown up schools, hospitals, bridges, desalination plants, the list goes on. What would you say if that was your city? Oh, it's just infrastructure so it's ok? We need a new world order, that's for sure!

For the love of God tell me you are taking drugs or something.

Yes this is exactly what IRGC supporters want to die martyrs. They’re ideological Shias most Iranians aren’t.

Is anyone else hugely terrified in the uk this is going to cause huge escalation

No

I can't believe we are letting these war crimes happen from our air bases. Starmer has blood on his hands.

In 1941, Hitler made a speech in which he said that the war must bring about “the annihilation of the Jews”. Do you think people dismissed that as rhetoric and bombast at the time? Do you think anyone actually believed the Nazis would go to the lengths they did? Not that I’m saying Trump is Hitler or that he would go to the same lengths, but if we normalise him making these threats as Trump being mad or full of hot air, it risks being minimised. Hitler didn’t do it alone and neither is Trump. There was a broader political ideology and power structure behind Hitler, as there is behind Trump. That it what makes it more dangerous than the rantings of a mad, despicable old man.

Sidebirds just has a different opinion to you …
it’s not a personal attack on your identity
Calm down

I actually find this really tough to know what I want to happen. I support regime change in Iran, but I really hate Trump's bullying tactics.

So I guess I hope Iran ignores Trump's ultimatum, but somebody has the sense to take Trump out to play on his tricycle before bedtime this evening so he gets tired out before asking if he can play with the Big Red Button.

Don"t think nukes were mentioned in his post?

It is all very well blaming Trump, but a large number of Americans and Israelis fully support what he is doing. He is just a less subtle liar than many politicians.

It will cause an escalation in interest rates, UK youth won"t be conscripted if that is what you mean?

Yes I am. I'm very very worried and scared, because let's face it, Iran is going to retaliate.. and they are quite obviously more capable than what trump thinks and what the rest of the world thinks. They are on a way ticket to martyrdom. That's what they are all about, they quite obviously aren't threatened and let's face it have held their own throughout all of this nonsense. They have been underestimated, I believe that the consequences of trump's actions could be globally catastrophic. Bunch of mad men who just want to win at any cost. We should be scared as far as I'm concerned and I very much am.

I’d wager not one poster on this thread has ever negotiated for a living.

How so? This isn't about negotiation anymore.. it's about winning at any cost and both sides will not stop until A. They get what they want or B. Full scale war, possibly nuclear, and we all suffer. I don't think it's that far fetched given the current state of affairs and absolute psychos that make up some of our most powerful world leaders.

Yes it looks like it.

What is that meant to mean? We vote for people who are meant to have those skills and the sense if they can't to appoint people who can.

At the moment we seem to have a great orange baboon spewing threats and his henchpeople not stopping him, because henchpeople.

Have you ever 'negotiated for a living'? If so, how do you feel this is going?

It's the Iranian regime who are more interested in the annihilation of the Jews.

Agree. Won’t happen though.The religious loonies are properly at the wheel in the US now. Trump is just the puppet.

And it will be 3:30 am in Iran. They are 2.5 hours ahead of the UK. I think it's quite important to know that, personally.

So the deadline is 8pm Tues in Washington. 3:30 am Wedns in Iran.

Just admit you were wrong initially, nobody judges you!

You have made this up. You don't have to be ideologically motivated to not what your country's infrastructure blown up.

In a way it’s actually Israel’s war more than America’s, as this is what the Israeli right has wanted for decades. They’ve just finally found a US President extreme and deluded enough to deliver it for them.

They’ve just said on the news they aren’t using UK based?

Wrong.

I'm not defending Trump threatening to blow up infrastructure. It's probably a war crime, the same way that Iran blowing up the water desalination plant in Kuwait for example is probably a war crime.

I'm just saying - he is talking about blowing up infrastructure not literally ending civilisation. This will be obvious by the morning (UK time).