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Thread 35 Starmer: Old and smelling of roses

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DuncinToffee · 14/10/2025 20:26

Pull up a chair for some friendly chit chat about politics, cats, dogs and much more

Taxes optional but greatly appreciated.

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BIossomtoes · 29/10/2025 12:23

PandoraSocks · 29/10/2025 11:19

Isn't the thinking that a rise in income tax but a cut in NICs captures those who pay tax but no NICs.

So sort of levelling things a bit between those who pay income tax and NICs and those who pay income tax only? So pensioners or those who have retired early on occupational pensions for example would pay more tax.

eta link, which estimates it could raise £6bn

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/23/reeves-urged-to-take-2p-off-employee-ni-and-add-it-to-income-tax-in-budget

Edited

Yes I’ve seen that argument and I agree with it but any foreseeable tax rises have to focus on raising the maximum amount of money. Levelling playing fields comes into play when there isn’t a huge budget deficit to be filled.

PandoraSocks · 29/10/2025 12:33

BIossomtoes · 29/10/2025 12:23

Yes I’ve seen that argument and I agree with it but any foreseeable tax rises have to focus on raising the maximum amount of money. Levelling playing fields comes into play when there isn’t a huge budget deficit to be filled.

Fair point!

PickAChew · 29/10/2025 13:12

PandoraSocks · 29/10/2025 12:22

Can someone tell Farage he and his party aren't actually in power yet?

Maybe if he spent some time in parliament he would understand how it works.

SerendipityJane · 29/10/2025 13:27

PandoraSocks · 29/10/2025 12:22

Can someone tell Farage he and his party aren't actually in power yet?

Will it go to a vote ?

PickAChew · 29/10/2025 13:33

SerendipityJane · 29/10/2025 13:27

Will it go to a vote ?

A boat? He wants no more boats.

Evenstar · 29/10/2025 14:22

🤣 Private Eye

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DuncinToffee · 29/10/2025 14:47

SerendipityJane · 29/10/2025 10:54

I rarely get FOMO, but can't help feel jealous I missed this one.

I seem to have upset the 'I shout at hotels' posters by posting letters from asylum seekers, we must not make them human.

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DuncinToffee · 29/10/2025 14:53

PandoraSocks · 29/10/2025 12:22

Can someone tell Farage he and his party aren't actually in power yet?

A 10 minute rule bill Confused

Sounds like when you drop some food.

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PandoraSocks · 29/10/2025 15:01

DuncinToffee · 29/10/2025 14:53

A 10 minute rule bill Confused

Sounds like when you drop some food.

He is really, really, really over-egging it when he says he is "introducing legislation".

Of course his "bill" will fail, and then he can moan about two tier something or other. Or being silenced by the establishment. His supporters will lap it up.

God, I loathe him more every day.

PandoraSocks · 29/10/2025 15:04

DuncinToffee · 29/10/2025 14:47

I seem to have upset the 'I shout at hotels' posters by posting letters from asylum seekers, we must not make them human.

That thread is disgusting.

DuncinToffee · 29/10/2025 15:12

The Telegraph is upset that Reeves has hired an economist who said Brexit made the UK poorer.

We must not use facts.

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dontcallmelen · 29/10/2025 15:24

Facts appear redundant hence Farage spouting rubbish/outright lies at every bloody opportunity.
agree Pandora every time I see his stupid lying gurning face it sickens me just a bit more.

DuncinToffee · 29/10/2025 16:26

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/29/female-survivors-of-grooming-gangs-demand-apology-from-nigel-farage

Female survivors of grooming gangs demand apology from Nigel Farage

Exclusive: Five women said Reform leader’s comments that they were victims of other types of sexual abuse were ‘degrading’

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Notonthestairs · 29/10/2025 16:29

Its all about the vibez.

Feelings can't be wrong. If you feel something, whether or not it's factually correct, then you must be right.

PickAChew · 29/10/2025 16:30

Evenstar · 29/10/2025 14:22

🤣 Private Eye

😂

Mine hasn't turned up, yet.

DuncinToffee · 29/10/2025 16:33

Tories confirm Chris Philp's bill proposing mass deportation of people with indefinite leave to remain no longer party policy

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placemats · 29/10/2025 17:01

DuncinToffee · 29/10/2025 16:33

Tories confirm Chris Philp's bill proposing mass deportation of people with indefinite leave to remain no longer party policy

Great because it means that my nephew's Taiwanese wife can remain in England - she's a high income earner and brings lots of money into the British economy.

Evenstar · 29/10/2025 17:03

What the hell 😳

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DuncinToffee · 29/10/2025 17:04

Evenstar · 29/10/2025 17:03

What the hell 😳

He also called for a civil war again.

I read a thread pulling him apart about his Tolkien knowledge.

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PandoraSocks · 29/10/2025 17:10

There is a poster on MN who regularly pushes the notion of a civil war. It is a bot* worrying.

*Typo, but it seems rather apt. 😁

PickAChew · 29/10/2025 17:11

That man wankbadger has never read a book in his life.

Evenstar · 29/10/2025 17:11

As you may have gathered from my name I am a huge fan of Tolkien, I am affronted on his behalf, Musk isn’t worthy to clean his shoes 😡

That’s before you start on him glorifying a violent thug like Robinson and trying to interfere in our democracy 😡

PandoraSocks · 29/10/2025 17:16

We could rename him Elon Orc.

ilovesooty · 29/10/2025 17:17

Evenstar · 29/10/2025 17:11

As you may have gathered from my name I am a huge fan of Tolkien, I am affronted on his behalf, Musk isn’t worthy to clean his shoes 😡

That’s before you start on him glorifying a violent thug like Robinson and trying to interfere in our democracy 😡

Tolkien is hugely offended.

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