Thread 34 Starmer - Conference Swanwiches and a Deputy Leader contest

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In the short term the Conservatives losing supporters to a much more right wing party (or the Conservatives themselves falling victim to far.right internal factions) is "good" for Labour. Its not good for democracy or internal cohesion in the country and therefor not good, long term, for Labour either.

I am not in anyway attached to Labour though. They were my way of avoiding the Tories.

Quite.

Life got more shit so people were seduced by the prospect of "levelling up".

They had forgotten that much if the responsibility for lives being a bit more shit belonged to the very party that promised the "levelling up" that never really materialised.

A few went back to labour, while many were seduced by sanctioned punching down. Labour dug in with the enshittification of life for many and here we are.

Labour need to stop trying to keep up with team punching down because it's distracting them from things that really slow down and eventually reverse the enshittification of life. The problem they have is that none of it is a quick fix and the press is unsympathetic so the punching down promises will continue to be seductive to certain people.

Hope you’ve had a good day cardi and the migraine has relinquished.

Well said

Blimming heck. There is so much tin foil hattery on MN right now it is making my fillings hurt. Last time it was this bad was during the anti-vax madness.

Reminds me it's flu jab tomorrow.

Look out for Bill Gates and the Fabian Society lurking around!

And do your own research.

@PandoraSocks Good one, we'll have all the suspicions again about Bill Gates 2015 TED talk
warning about a pandemic !
Got my jab tomorrow so will keep my eyes peeled.

Tommytennames has, predictably, had a little rant about "woke Jews" pushing for open borders etc. En route to Israel. Sigh. I don't really know how to put it into words but there is something so disturbing about the far right faking concern about "anti-Semitism" as a way of criticising Muslims, while simultaneously feeding on anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

Yes, I saw that ranting video, which he has now deleted.

He is in court next week and given he is still out on licence he might be going back to prison.

If anyone is interested, as I mentioned on the digital ID thread where the Fabian conspiracy stuff is being touted, there is a really good piece by Stephen Pollard about the Fabian Society conspiracy stuff. It seems to have its roots the Epping Hotel judgement. This bit made me laugh:

I think wierdness about the Fabian society goes back further than the Epping hotel. It's been a bogeyman for a while. I guess the Epping Hotel judgement let's them link it to the judiciary. But also what were seeing is a lot of conspiracy theories that were simmering out of sight fur, in some cases, decades have now become more mainstream.

You being stalked/spoken about again Pandora? Seems a regular occurence.

You must be doing something right

I must be. I asked MN to withdraw my post as it might make things worse.

Though I repeat for lurkers: I am not CinnamonSquirrels!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/10/boris-johnson-breached-rules-designed-to-stop-abuse-of-contacts-made-in-public-office-watchdog-finds

When will Johnson be shown to have done enough to involve the courts?

Funny that they mention Better Earth. Johnson is Co Chair. Baroness Owen is Vice President.

Ah yes, that's where I heard it before. It was dodgy from the start.

Mines in November!!!

Reminds me to get to the GP practice early. Tomorrow.

Can anyone tell me why Qatar are opening a Military airbase in Idaho?

ETA: the word Military