Thread 9 Starmer : Return to Westminster

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They are definitely going down the ‘we want the 5 reform seats back not the 70 Lib Dem ones’ road. Lib Dem’s must be pretty happy right now. Bet there’s a whole load more seats that will come into play for them if the Tories are just going further right until 2029.

From Nicholas Watt:

A former Tory minister tells me: “I don’t know when the death certificate for the Conservative Party will be issued. But it will be a private funeral with no wake afterwards.”

Just watch, the members will vote for Badenoch now, hopefully they’ll be out of power for the rest of my lifetime. Three more election defeats should do it.

Bloody hell. They really are that stupid. Beelzebub on a bicycle, I'm surprised.

Nope. It'll be Jenrick I reckon. But same result!

Really shocked. I thought Cleverley had it in the bag tbh.

I'm both quite pleased (Cleverly can sound quite reasonable/personable on occasions) and simultaneously frustrated that they've clearly no interest in winning back the L/D/Labour seats.

Tufton Street/Spectator/Telegraph/Marshall etc will all be delighted that the party is falling in line.

The IEA must be rubbing their hands together - chairman Neil Record is very much involved in Badenoch's campaign.

Reform are fucked!

They will defect to the Tories now

And a step to the le eh eh eh ft

Sorry couldn't resist - and I'm well aware it's the other way round in the actual song 😂

Agree with everyone else I was shocked. It came up on my news feed and saw it as I left work.

I'd have liked to see Tugenhat and Cleverly in the final 2.

From Lewis Goodall

The strategic choice faced by centre-right parties across the West over the last few years has been whether to draw lines in the sand with the hard right or embrace them. What we know from today's contest is that the next Conservative leader will choose the latter course.

I wouldn't write off Farage.

I'm sure he'll spin it as neither Conservative candidate clearing his Brexit/tax/immigration purity test. And he'll just make more outrageous demands

Many polls (before and after the election) indicated that a large number of Reform voters would never return to the Conservative fold again.

Reform will struggle to attract more Tory voters, though, which is what they need in order to grow. And to put it bluntly, some of the current Reform voters may not be around by 2029.

Though I agree not to write Fromage off. He is an unflushable 💩

https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1844022986774642866

Conservative Party Leadership Election - 4th Round Result: Badenoch: 42 (+12) Jenrick: 41 (+10) Cleverly: 37 (-2) James Cleverly has therefore been eliminated. Kemi Badenoch and Robert Jenrick progress to the member's vote.

Not going to stop laughing at this for a while. And whatever Elon has done to Twitter, you still can’t beat it on a day like today.

They're going to Fight for the Right to Nasty. Brexit and asylum seekers, the story continues. Bloody hell.

I don’t think Badenoch is better than Truss. She is about the same. She will have a longer shelf life than the lettuce because she is in opposition- but her speeches are equally ridiculous.

If I were Johnson I'd start putting out feelers for a byelection - get myself in position to make a move in the next few months/year(?)

Or I suppose Cleverly will be in as leader before the next election.

@bombastix - largely agree with that.

It is very important to remember that the current Tory membership chose Truss.

So already you see they are several mints short of a tin.

They chose Truss.

Stunned that the Tories are left with a choice of these two.

On another note, I just got this email from Full Fact. One in the eye for those who say Labour should have known about the £22bn

This probably works out quite well for Cleverly, thinking about it. The membership are nuts and we’re never going to vote for him to win. So he hasn’t actually lost much except from dignity for doing a deal and it going hilariously wrong. And any dignity disappeared a while ago while trying to be normal and still win by appealing to lunatics.

Meanwhile, at best, whoever wins is going to lead the Tories to a defeat in 2029 and be replaced. Most likely is going to get replaced before that. They are highly unlikely to ever end up as PM. Cleverly gets another shot when the Tories finally come to their senses when they realise chasing the Farage cultists is going to keep them out of power.

Many polls (before and after the election) indicated that a large number of Reform voters would never return to the Conservative fold again.

Most reform voters, like Brexiteers, will blow with the wind or the way the Daily Heil tells them to because, as I think we all know, they're not generally the sharpest tools in the box...

And I think many people are forgetting the one thing that we definitely know about most of the Tory membership, in common with Brexiteers.

Bad Enoch doesn't stand a chance...

Marina Purkiss
@MarinaPurkiss
4h

Kemi Badenoch who thinks maternity pay is excessive and allegedly stalled compensation to Post Office scandal victims…

Or Jenrick who helped billionaire porn baron donor avoid paying £40m in taxes and paints over refugee children’s murals

What a time to be a Conservative.

Whoever wins won't last 2 years.

I predict Jenrick win with team Kemi sniping daily.

Ah, of course. This is why Jimmy Dimly lost...