Thread 9 Starmer : Return to Westminster

[DuncinToffee]

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5169266-thread-8-starmer-cat-fur-on-new-clothes?page=40&reply=138729672

Taxes are voluntary

Can’t find it now but there’s a tweet somewhere that was something along the lines of

CLEVERLY: Be more normal
TORY MPs: Nah

Bravermans latest post is that 545 children in our constituency will be affected by Labours education tax putting more pressure on state schools and teachers.

There are people who actually fall for this crap.

If the education system hadn't been so underfunded for over a decade those 545 wouldn't matter when added to the tens of 1000's in that system already.

I've been hiding the VAT on school fees threads on sight. They're getting sneakier, though.

AIBU to ask what your teenager is getting for Christmas? Nothing for mine because of VAT on school fees?
Recommend me some comfy trainers. I'm afraid I can't because I won't be buying shoes ever again because of VAT on school fees.
AIBU to sell my granny for firewood? She can no longer afford to heat her little 5 bedroom house, anyway, and I need the money to cover the VAT on school fees.

Zelenskyy is visiting No10 and was greeted by Larry

It's a masterclass in how to shred any sympathy you may have had from the general public.

A bit like posting that "My parents are struggling to count all their money as they are shivering from the WFA being withdrawn."

If I were the type, it would be amusing to start a thread saying that VAT on school fees is actually banned in the Magna Carta. With the level of knowledge in those threads approaching zero from the wrong side, it would probably be a while till someone cottoned on. And then you just need to say "Sorry, I meant the treaty of Lisbon. Or is it Paris ?"

The whole VAT on school fees is a wonderful example of how Tory infighting manged to let a genuinely transformative policy get onto the stature books. Keir and chums would do well to remember that, It's all very well people being angry at Labour. But none of this could have happened if the Tories had actually governed.

But then - as tiresomely predicted - Brexit meant Brexit and the end of the Tories. Bye Bye.

FFS.

Starmer being accused of lying because he said his uncle was on a boat that was torpedoed during the Falklands. The ship was bombed not torpedoed and now people are jumping on him for being a liar.

It is pathetic, but I expect a thread on here soon.

And probably every bit as deranged as the hurricane Milton thread

That, and Sam Coates "scoop" about Yvette Cooper and Taylor Swift's police escort.

There are some strange posters on that Hurricane Milton thread

💐 also Willowkins & any other posters who are struggling

thank you for the new thread Duncin & all contributors as ever flowers from me

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3w8n48234o

"NEW

Chief Secretary to the Treasury Darren Jones has announced there will be a 10 year infrastructure strategy at the full spending review next year, which includes housing and schools as key economic growth drivers, and overseen by a new body NISTA…

Jones pointed to the failure to build HS2 to Manchester said the new body “will get a grip on the delays to infrastructure delivery that have plagued our global reputation with investors”.

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Excellent 👌

Those same posters would have been up in arms if Swift had been injured or worse because Cooper had refused her a police escort given the terror threats in Vienna a few days before were widely known about.

A thread on TS has been started in News but it's not exactly going the way the OP hoped.....

Seems to be based on more Guido Fawkes nonsense - like the KS secret lovechild/
gay one

Clav is keeping an eye on that one.

That's true

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/10/rachel-reeves-capital-gains-tax-rise-budget

Rachel Reeves is considering raising capital gains tax to 39%

The Guardian joining in with speculation there.
Inheriting failing public services, a flat lining economy, infrastructure that needs a decades worth of investment, the millstone that is Brexit and a billionaire owned press was always going to be a hospital pass.
The Tories must be delighted to be out of it.

In the Yvette Cooper thread the tickets were gifted to Ed Balls apparently. I’m sure he wasn’t the only TV presenter given tickets. I did learn today that Johnson was given things because he moved in the right kind of circles, and would have been given them anyway, not that he is just a grifter.

I agree with @PickAChew that I can be reading the most innocuous thread and either VAT on school fees, or ‘doesn’t know what a woman is’ is shoehorned in.

This is a very bad sign. Another sign that Labour aren’t really ready for the difficulty of a tax raising budget. The fact this story is out with little Treasury whispers is bad. Comms still not up to it

What is a very bad sign?

Edited to change why to what

1. Suggests Labour has seriously boxed itself re revenue raising via tax

2. Reeves has been writing a budget for nearly 12 weeks. This suggests she hasn’t tied down her major policies for it

3. Soecific figures leaked; someone in Whitehall is either testing this or intending to disrupt the budget

4. Its a major plank of her policy - suggest that this being made open is a sign of her weakness

5. Comms still buggered

I hate the speculation about the budget, it's the same every bloody year, and it waters down and confuses the actual figures.

Wait and see what's actually said then react to it.

We've known all year that Reeves has boxed herself in by agreeing to abide by the Conservatives fiscal rules. Modelling a range of figures is fairly normal I would have thought - as is considering the longer term impact of the range and weighing up what is more valuable. There is a question of whether it is a deliberate leak or something more malign.
I agree the endless speculation is unhelpful - unless you want to pressure people to sell now and bump up the tax take (I am not suggesting that btw).

This is the underlying issue. They need to stop trying to appeal to a section of Tory voters that believe the stuff the Tories told them about how economics works. They spent 14 years fucking it up why would we want more of the same.

Reversing Cleverley’s idiotic family visas on healthcare staff ought to be a quick win. Remove some red tape with the EU to at least limit the damage done by Brexit. If we have to concede to under 30s travel, so be it. Hopefully it isn’t too late.

Proper public health campaign on the economic costs of covid would be a decent idea. Try an reverse the ‘it’s just a cold’. Look into the cost/health/ other benefits of properly ventilating schools. Possibly work towards that. Consider benefits of moving towards pay restoration for NHS staff in terms of attracting new staff, retention, putting more money in people’s pockets so they can spend it.

Sort something about the energy companies fleecing customers. Moving towards greener energy should help but people need more money in their pockets so they can spend it and boost the economy.

I’ll get shot for this one, but allow asylum seekers to work after 6 months. It is ridiculous to have created a backlog deliberately and then have to support them while they are economically inactive through our own decisions.