When does terrorism become war?

[mids2019]

Looking at the news this morning I think the media are finding it difficult to register Palestinian attacks as a terrorism event or simply an attack of one state against another.

I suppose whether you view 5000 tickets as a terrorist atrocity or a declaration of war is dependent on your views on whether Palestine can ever be a functioning state. We plainly in Europe would describe such events as terrorism in that civilian populations have been targeted but in the eternally challenged middle East the use of such a word has political connurtations.

Is this a terrorist attack on Israel?

You sound like an apologist for war crimes.

You either condemn them or you don't. You repeatedly tell us how much you empathise with those committing war crimes.

I don't. Nor do most normal people. That's how we differ.

Honestly - I lost dozens of my family in the Holocaust, and no, I've never felt the slightest desire to go and murder a bunch of Germans in revenge. Normal people grieve for what happened - they don't seek to continue the bloodshed.

Stop being an apologist for war crimes.

unless you are in full support of Israel, you will be deemed anti-Semitic

Its looking that way isn’t it.

"I have not seen one person condoning these actions"

Read the bloody thread then. It's full of them.

There is mpthing wrong with Jewish people living freely on their territory.

There is somethong wrong with Palestianian territories being stoeln and annexed and laws depriving Palestinians from their right being voted.

What a load of bollocks. Show me any post in this thread that has said anything like this.

Just be honest and admit that you have no problem with war crimes when they take place against Israeli civilians.

And yes - we WILL judge you.

@Truthisbetterthanlies you conveniently skipped over my sentence where I have said you can understand why these actions are happening but still condemn them. This is what @cakeorwine is also saying. You are accusing people of being war crime apologists 😐

No it isn't. You're just putting words in people's mouths and attacking them if they're not fully in support of your opinion.

People have said again and again that violence against civilians is wrong, but you are consistently accusing them of condoning that very thing.

which has been repeatedly debunked by people who know what they’re taking about.

No it isn't. You're just putting words in people's mouths and attacking them if they're not fully in support of your opinion

correct.

so many people on this thread have no issue with Israel committing war crimes against the Palestinians. That’s Islamophobia.

No one has condoned war crimes against the Israelis. But so many are condoning war crimes against Palestinians.

you have double standards

You clearly can't read.

I said I condemn the actions.

I also said that I can understand that some people see targetting civillians as a way of getting change.

Do you know about the King David's Hotel in Jerusalem?

91 people were killed when Jewish "terrorists" blew it up - as part of the British occupation back then. Including 13 soldiers.

The Jewish insurgency is interesting to read

Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia

@Truthisbetterthanlies you clearly have your own agenda and don't want to listen to anyone else is saying. You refuse to acknowledge that there have been horrendous atrocities from both sides of this conflict.

My heart goes out to all the Israeli citizens AND Palestinian citizens and once again reiterate the point that it is not anti-Semitic to disagree with the Israeli government.

It's a pretty desperate situation. I feel very sad about it for both the Israeli's and the Palestinians for what will inevitably hit the, in response. I was on Kibbutz nr Gaza quite some time ago, the Kibbutz I was on has been invaded and people taken hostage from there. A number of other Kibbutz's have suffered the same. These are just every day people.

That said I totally understand the Palestinian perspective, they have had their country taken over and it's encroachment continues. I don't agree with violent action but then I don't know how they can stop the way Israel treats them.

I remember clearly the soon to be army recruits staying on Kibbutz for a month before they started their mandatory service. They gleefully told us they couldn't wait to join up to shoot some Palestinians. I thought at the time, I can't see how this will get better when both sides are brought up to hate each other.

I'm just so sick of people in power stirring up conflict. That goes for both sides because for sure, the Israeli government is no stranger for starting problems themselves.

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. It totally depends on where you live and your nationality.
Israel have been occupying Palestine for many many years, they won’t rest until Palestine has been obliterated from the map. If civilians are being killed and injured ( which they are) they are both terrorists. You will obviously read the western media side of all this who are of course, totally pro-Israeli.

@ADiT preach!!!

I don't think @mids2019 intention was to have a thread where people are pro and anti Israel/Palestine here.

Seems to me they wanted to discuss the issue of terrorism which inevitably means international law, domestic law and the international community relations.

Nearly every person commenting here has ZERO direct experience of terrorism, security and counter-terrorism. That explains the lack of proper debate/discussion.

Agree with you that both Hamas' refusal to allow elections in Gaza and the Palestinian Authority's refusal to allow elections in the West Bank is very hard on the Palestinians.

It is a tragedy that Palestinians living in the Palestinian territories are not allowed to vote by their governments.

Also agree with you that there is something very wrong with the way that LGBT Palestinians have no rights and are murdered, and that women's rights in both Gaza and the West Bank are so poor.

And of course the apartheid and ethnic cleansing practised in the Palestinian Territories, which make it illegal to sell land there to Jews, and which has greatly reduced the number of Palestinian Christians living there, is also a disgrace.

Oh no - that wasn't what you meant was it? Because of course you don't give a shit about Palestinian rights unless you can use it to attack Israel.

This.

Any answer to this @Truthisbetterthanlies ?

Or will you claim it's antisemitic to even ask?

@Truthisbetterthanlies you sound like you don't like Palestinians very much 👀

So I put you in the unbiased column then? Pesky Palestinians doing all of this to themselves!

Actually, I think no one commenting here would want to live in Palestine as rights for women/gays/etc are non existent, and gays are definitely murdered for being gay.

@ADiT No one has condoned war crimes against the Israelis. But so many are condoning war crimes against Palestinians.

I haven't spotted that, but if you have you need to report it and explain why it breaches MN policy.

I'd be more worried about having no rights and people evicting me from my land or killing me but the right to not become gay if I wanted to would be a close second for sure!