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Thread 27 - Sunak : the Ship is Sinking, Hold Your Nerve!

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DuncinToffee · 26/06/2023 14:10

In the voice of Cpl Jones.

"Don't panic Capt Sunak"

"Hold your nerve"

"They don't like it up em".

Previous https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4823678-thread-25-sunak-peerages-privileges-the-covid-inquiry?page=1

We have a choice between extremely bad alternative outcomes

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Blossomtoes · 19/07/2023 18:18

DuncinToffee · 19/07/2023 17:43

They now seem to be jumping on Coutts bank on behalf of their mate Nige, who advised them on that strategy Confused

Saw that. Apparently Braverman thinks it’s “sinister”. 🙄

pointythings · 19/07/2023 18:25

I was very concerned that the guidance might force teachers to out students to their parents. That could lead to some very dangerous situations. I've known too many parents who weren't at all benign and supportive.

AdamRyan · 19/07/2023 18:33

Bloody tories bought this gender mess on themselves with their Gender Equalities report and hopefully now Rishi will be forced to update the EA in a way that protects the right of women as well as those of transgender people. Instead of the ridiculous fudge we have now.
I suspect however its just going to fan the flames of "lefty judges" and make things worse for women and trans people.

AdamRyan · 19/07/2023 18:39

Personally I'm firmly of the view that "social transition" is a nonsense and people should not be discriminated against on the grounds of physical appearance and how they choose to present. So one set of uniform for boys and girls in schools, they can use whatever name they want.

Changing facilities, certain lessons and sports should be single sex where necessary. (My children have mixed gender toilets and trans students using the changing facilities of their desired sex, and they hate it. Plus there have been numerous entirely predictable issues like children filming over/under doors, couples using the toilets to hook up. My kids won't go to the loo at school which is not healthy).

Medical transition should be when the EA applies, this should be for over 18s and is irrelevant to schools.

Anyway loving the pickle Rishi has got himself into - good luck sorting it out. Maria Millers chickens have come home!

Blossomtoes · 19/07/2023 18:41

This thread’s not going to see us into the by-elections, is it?

pointythings · 19/07/2023 18:56

@Blossomtoes probably not. Which is a shame, because if they lose all three the thread title would be so beautifully obvious.

@AdamRyan you've pretty much summed up my stance on the trans debate there.

itsgettingweird · 19/07/2023 19:09

pointythings · 19/07/2023 18:56

@Blossomtoes probably not. Which is a shame, because if they lose all three the thread title would be so beautifully obvious.

@AdamRyan you've pretty much summed up my stance on the trans debate there.

Agree with both these.

When are we expecting the by election results?

jgw1 · 19/07/2023 19:10

itsgettingweird · 19/07/2023 19:09

Agree with both these.

When are we expecting the by election results?

As I understand it Uxbridge is the most in doubt, due to the ULEZ.

itsgettingweird · 19/07/2023 20:02

Saw that. Apparently Braverman thinks it’s “sinister”.

Well she'd know Wink

She's really pissing me off recently. Every SINGLE EVENT she holds for our constituency is in lockheaths or Warsash.

Not on the actual centre of Fareham. Nope. On the outskirts of the constituency in an area full of hugely rich people is huge houses where we have a marina and boat owners.

StormShadow · 19/07/2023 20:27

AdamRyan · 19/07/2023 18:39

Personally I'm firmly of the view that "social transition" is a nonsense and people should not be discriminated against on the grounds of physical appearance and how they choose to present. So one set of uniform for boys and girls in schools, they can use whatever name they want.

Changing facilities, certain lessons and sports should be single sex where necessary. (My children have mixed gender toilets and trans students using the changing facilities of their desired sex, and they hate it. Plus there have been numerous entirely predictable issues like children filming over/under doors, couples using the toilets to hook up. My kids won't go to the loo at school which is not healthy).

Medical transition should be when the EA applies, this should be for over 18s and is irrelevant to schools.

Anyway loving the pickle Rishi has got himself into - good luck sorting it out. Maria Millers chickens have come home!

Agree with all of this. The Tories have managed to create quite a mess on this issue.

RafaistheKingofClay · 19/07/2023 20:59

itsgettingweird · 19/07/2023 20:02

Saw that. Apparently Braverman thinks it’s “sinister”.

Well she'd know Wink

She's really pissing me off recently. Every SINGLE EVENT she holds for our constituency is in lockheaths or Warsash.

Not on the actual centre of Fareham. Nope. On the outskirts of the constituency in an area full of hugely rich people is huge houses where we have a marina and boat owners.

Yes the woman who dreams of putting refugees in a flight to an unsafe country thinks someone else is sinister.

RafaistheKingofClay · 19/07/2023 21:32

https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1681762326431641601

In Grant Shapps is an idiot news, he’s written to Starmer asking him to pay for the damage that Just Stop Oil have done to the Dept of Energy building. Because someone who donated 1.5 million to the Labour Party also finds Just Stop Oil.

Not sure that’s a can of worms you want to open, Grant.

https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1681762326431641601

jgw1 · 19/07/2023 21:33

RafaistheKingofClay · 19/07/2023 21:32

https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1681762326431641601

In Grant Shapps is an idiot news, he’s written to Starmer asking him to pay for the damage that Just Stop Oil have done to the Dept of Energy building. Because someone who donated 1.5 million to the Labour Party also finds Just Stop Oil.

Not sure that’s a can of worms you want to open, Grant.

Lets say for the sake of arguement that at some point in time an oil company gave money to the Tory party. Does that mean that they will pay for all the damage done by oil companies to the environment?

RafaistheKingofClay · 19/07/2023 21:45

One assumes so.

I’d imagine their Russian donors may have caused some damage too. And I suspect 1or 2 HCPs may want a word about inadequate or non existent PPE.

jgw1 · 19/07/2023 21:46

RafaistheKingofClay · 19/07/2023 21:45

One assumes so.

I’d imagine their Russian donors may have caused some damage too. And I suspect 1or 2 HCPs may want a word about inadequate or non existent PPE.

Tobacco in the past?

DuncinToffee · 19/07/2023 22:10

some examples of the Russian bills coming their way

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1681763659414994945?s=20

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Notonthestairs · 19/07/2023 22:37

Am wondering if the Truss honours list will be released before recess. Seems like it might be a good time whilst people are distracted elsewhere.

Notonthestairs · 19/07/2023 22:45

DuncinToffee · 18/07/2023 14:54

Shaun Bailey, whose campaign's "jingle and mingle" party at Conservative Party headquarters during the pandemic is currently under investigation by the Metropolitan Police, is formally introduced to the House of Lords.

You know we didn't get similar footage of Charlotte Owens taking up her life peerage as Baroness Owens of Alderley Edge - wonder why.

Notonthestairs · 19/07/2023 22:56

pointythings · 19/07/2023 18:25

I was very concerned that the guidance might force teachers to out students to their parents. That could lead to some very dangerous situations. I've known too many parents who weren't at all benign and supportive.

🚨EXCLUSIVE🚨

The Government will require schools to inform parents if their child changes their gender self-identification.

Watch our full broadcast exclusive with the Education Secretary tonight 👇

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twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1681781527762419712?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

DuncinToffee · 19/07/2023 23:16

Notonthestairs · 19/07/2023 22:45

You know we didn't get similar footage of Charlotte Owens taking up her life peerage as Baroness Owens of Alderley Edge - wonder why.

superinjunction?

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pointythings · 20/07/2023 08:10

@Notonthestairs this is such a spectacularly bad idea. I live in a small, nasty, Brexity town full of homophobia where my house has often been a safe place for teens to be themselves because they couldn't be gay at home. And that's just being gay. Way to trap teenagers without anyone safe to talk to!

RafaistheKingofClay · 20/07/2023 08:17

Happy by-election day everyone!

Notonthestairs · 20/07/2023 08:19

Pointy - I winced when I read it simply because I imagine any teacher would want to investigate why the child hasn't told their parents and if the child indicates they believe they might be at risk where does that leave the teacher?

IClaudine · 20/07/2023 08:42

RafaistheKingofClay · 20/07/2023 08:17

Happy by-election day everyone!

Hopefully it will be a happy by-election day!

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