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Ukraine Invasion: Part 30

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MagicFox · 28/08/2022 09:05

We're now on our 30th thread, thanks as usual to all who contribute.

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MagicFox · 20/09/2022 17:41

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Ukraine Invasion: Part 30
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MagicFox · 20/09/2022 17:42

Matches comments by @Fladdermus

Ukraine Invasion: Part 30
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MagicFox · 20/09/2022 17:52

Good thread about this: twitter.com/sabfis3/status/1572225453108400129?s=46&t=XmJ-B5E63-RRg6wnclmAkA

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MagicFox · 20/09/2022 18:04

Lawrence Freedman on nuclear use by Russia

samf.substack.com/p/going-nuclear?sd=pf

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MagicFox · 20/09/2022 18:18

Putin due to speak any second. Will try to keep on top of this and post what I can

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MagicFox · 20/09/2022 18:25

Speech has been delayed - will keep an eye

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katem98 · 20/09/2022 18:25

MagicFox · 20/09/2022 18:25

Speech has been delayed - will keep an eye

Hopefully died on his way to make the statement.

autumn1610 · 20/09/2022 18:43

Sky news is reporting he’s started his address

TokyoSushi · 20/09/2022 18:44

Seems like a good time to check back in with you all..

Thanks for keeping the threads going.

MagicFox · 20/09/2022 18:46

Weird. Still no Putin and reports RT has deleted its tweet saying he would speak at 8 (6 UK time)

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autumn1610 · 20/09/2022 19:07

Sky news also dropped the notification he was starting after I posted

katem98 · 20/09/2022 19:08

@autumn1610 Same but on their homepage I think it's still visible. Now has some speculation as below lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/kongoecho/status/1572282045035945985?refsrc=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1572282045035945985%7Ctwgr%5E545520809afdc6ac0e2f573d8590627acf4f4c19%7Ctwcon%5Es11&refurl=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fukraine-war-latest-news-putins-forces-clearly-in-panic-russia-12541713

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 20/09/2022 19:32

Putin's assurances that he wants this war to end as soon as possible feels ominous as opposed to positive. He isn't going to back down is he?

MagicFox · 20/09/2022 19:33

He is escalating. Worst case scenario unthinkable, best case it's an escalate to de-escalate strategy

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Hillsmakeyoustrong · 20/09/2022 19:49

Do we think this escalation is on account of increasing internal pressures by hardliners? Or is Putin still in the driving seat? I wonder where the pressure lies for Putin? Is it from the global arena or does it come from within his own rats' nest? I wouldn't be sleeping so well if I was him.

Fladdermus · 20/09/2022 19:53

I feel sick.

DFOD · 20/09/2022 19:57

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 20/09/2022 19:49

Do we think this escalation is on account of increasing internal pressures by hardliners? Or is Putin still in the driving seat? I wonder where the pressure lies for Putin? Is it from the global arena or does it come from within his own rats' nest? I wouldn't be sleeping so well if I was him.

Both.

And from every pinch point direction I think.

It seems to have a momentum now - with the regional state officials speaking out in St Petersburg etc

A humiliated narcissist / psychopath is a worry - but he is likely surrounded by other psychos who have been plotting their next move for sometime.

This is the way it always happens.

MissConductUS · 20/09/2022 19:59

MagicFox · 20/09/2022 18:46

Weird. Still no Putin and reports RT has deleted its tweet saying he would speak at 8 (6 UK time)

I think he was trolling the UN general assembly meeting, which he wasn't invited to speak at. He doesn't like being ignored.

There may well be some sort of public pronouncement on the way at some point. If he does annex the DPR and LPR that would give him legal cover to mobilize, as "Russia" would then be under attack.

One interesting point about mobilization - the need for men at the front has brought a lot of their military trainers and military academy instructors into the fight, and many have been wounded or killed. I doubt that Russia can provide anything like adequate training for a lot of new soldiers.

TarasHarp55 · 20/09/2022 20:00

This is all so scary.

MagicFox · 20/09/2022 20:02

Biden rumoured to make an announcement tmrw about kicking russia out of the UN so this might also be relevant

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MagicFox · 20/09/2022 20:08

Anonymous account suggests the pre-recorded speech has been pulled because of some negotiations that have already taken place or something bigger happening on a global scale. Doesnt say what this might be

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minsmum · 20/09/2022 20:16

mobile.twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1572294706071212032 video of Putin

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 20/09/2022 20:27

It is unnerving but try not to worry which is easier said than done. As @Ijsbear always says the best brains are on it.

OwlsDance · 20/09/2022 20:29

Mobilisation won't achieve anything. There's no officers to train people, no training centres, no time, etc.

I think this is purely for domestic audience, last throw of the dice. He has no good options left.

autumn1610 · 20/09/2022 20:31

Sky has issued an update saying it’s delayed until tomorrow

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