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Ukraine Invasion: Part 30

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MagicFox · 28/08/2022 09:05

We're now on our 30th thread, thanks as usual to all who contribute.

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minsmum · 28/08/2022 19:27

EU

minsmum · 28/08/2022 19:32

mobile.twitter.com/CurrentTimeTv/status/1563874045791244288 Russians are forced to remove Z or V symbols by residents if they don't the police are called

minsmum · 28/08/2022 19:36

mobile.twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1563886850984509442 absurd reason a Russian woman set fire to a car

Ijsbear · 28/08/2022 19:45

Reminiscent of The Manchurian Candidate!

minsmum · 28/08/2022 20:07

It is ridiculous, I wonder do the Russian people believe this patent nonsense

Ijsbear · 28/08/2022 20:14

⚡️Ukrainian Intelligence: Russia wants to mobilize about 90,000 troops. Recruiters, however, are encountering significant recruiting issues as there are fewer and fewer applicants, especially in big cities where few want to serve, Skibitsky said.

⚡️Financial Times: EU set to suspend visa travel agreement with Russia.
EU foreign ministers meeting on Aug. 30 are set to back a suspension of a visa facilitation agreement for Russians, three unnamed officials told the Financial Times.
A suspension of a visa agreement signed in 2007 would remove preferential treatment for Russians when applying for all EU visas, requiring more documents, making them more expensive, and significantly increasing waiting times.

⚡️Ukraine's artillery hits 3 Russian control points in Kherson, Darivka.

⚡️Six more ships carrying Ukrainian grain depart Odesa.

⚡️Baerbock: Germany paid for Russian gas with its "security and independence."
German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock told the German newspaper Bild that Germany had to "put an end to the self-deception that we ever received cheap gas from Russia."
"Ukrainians paid for it thousands of times with their lives," she said.

⚡️Russia hits Ukraine’s Motor Sich engine factory in Zaporizhzhia.
Russian state news agency RIA Novosti reported that Russian troops had attacked workshops where Ukrainian helicopters were being repaired.
Zaporizhzhia-based Motor Sich is one of the world’s leading manufacturers of military aircraft engines.

‼️ Russian propagandist Igor Mangushev performed stand-up with a skull, which, according to him, belongs to a soldier from Azovstal
Igor Mangushev, callsign "Bereg", the leader of the Russian nationalist movement “Light Russia”, performed stand-up on stage, holding a skull in his hands. According to him, it belongs to a defender of the Azovstal Plant.
"Our war is the war with the idea of Ukraine as an anti-Russian state. Ukraine must be de-Ukranized."

Ukraine Invasion: Part 30
MagicFox · 28/08/2022 21:17

Lots to unpack in this thread which summarises a complex paper, linked at the end of the thread: twitter.com/ronstoeferle/status/1562816372975218689?s=21&t=3d7_YPOQzAqeuMGv4Ar-mg

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 28/08/2022 21:48

Thanks for the new thread.

MissConductUS · 28/08/2022 21:49

Here's more on the new Russian 3rd Army Corps.

Ukraine Update: Russia fields its new volunteer battalion, and it's ... it's just weird

TL;DR - It's a bunch of unfit blokes in their 40's and 50's who volunteered based on the promise of enormous pay. They're getting four weeks of training and have no junior officers to lead them. They will go into combat as a single, shambolic unit. By way of comparison, basic infantry training in the US Army is 22 weeks, and the graduates are then assigned to existing units where they receive further training under the guidance of experienced officers and NCO's.

What could possibly go wrong?

blueshoes · 28/08/2022 22:15

MissConductUS · 28/08/2022 21:49

Here's more on the new Russian 3rd Army Corps.

Ukraine Update: Russia fields its new volunteer battalion, and it's ... it's just weird

TL;DR - It's a bunch of unfit blokes in their 40's and 50's who volunteered based on the promise of enormous pay. They're getting four weeks of training and have no junior officers to lead them. They will go into combat as a single, shambolic unit. By way of comparison, basic infantry training in the US Army is 22 weeks, and the graduates are then assigned to existing units where they receive further training under the guidance of experienced officers and NCO's.

What could possibly go wrong?

I feel so bad for them. They must have been fed the mother of all lies to go on a suicide mission.

MissConductUS · 28/08/2022 22:33

I feel so bad for them. They must have been fed the mother of all lies to go on a suicide mission.

The article I linked goes into their motivation. It's mostly about poverty and high-interest payday lenders keeping people in debt. So they see this as a way of clearing their debts. But it's doubtful they'll see most of the money. Intercepted calls from Russian soldiers already in Ukraine are full of complaints about not getting paid what they are owed. And the Russians routinely mark soldiers as missing so they don't have to pay death benefits to their families.

DrBlackbird · 28/08/2022 22:57

PMK and many thanks for keeping this small corner of MN alive with the reality of the war on Ukraine. Going from hope to despair to faint hope amongst the incredulous horror of what Putin/ Russia has done to a sovereign nation and its peoples and what its lost in doing so.

blueshoes · 28/08/2022 23:06

MissConductUS · 28/08/2022 22:33

I feel so bad for them. They must have been fed the mother of all lies to go on a suicide mission.

The article I linked goes into their motivation. It's mostly about poverty and high-interest payday lenders keeping people in debt. So they see this as a way of clearing their debts. But it's doubtful they'll see most of the money. Intercepted calls from Russian soldiers already in Ukraine are full of complaints about not getting paid what they are owed. And the Russians routinely mark soldiers as missing so they don't have to pay death benefits to their families.

These people must be so desperate. Russia has no qualms to exploit them by sending them to the horror of almost certain death or injury and stealing from them and their families. As one of the comments said, the best outcome is for them to be captured by the Ukraine forces.

prettybird · 28/08/2022 23:14

I still read these threads every day. Db often sends me interesting articles - but I've often already seen them here Wink

I'm often able to send him good links, thanks to the contributors on here.

Thank you all for still caring.

BlankTimes · 29/08/2022 02:45

Thank-you to each and every one of you who updates this thread every day and keeps the rest of us informed on what's happening.

MagicFox · 29/08/2022 07:03

What the eff is this?! That Dave Troy guy with a claim I don't even understand.

twitter.com/davetroy/status/1564099107903651841?s=21&t=0WSsThm_sTaNsOdezxUGtg

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PerkingFaintly · 29/08/2022 08:26

Sounds closely akin to various "Christian" (I use the term loosely) fundamentalists' beliefs about the world ending and a new, better kingdom arising – in some versions here on earth.

There are certainly some Americans who are happy to burn all the oil and fell all the forests, because the End Times are coming. Also to treat Israel (home of the city Megiddo/Armageddon) as their End Times fantasy playpark.

MagicFox · 29/08/2022 08:48

Yet another Arm of Madness to add to the mix then!

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minsmum · 29/08/2022 10:09

Shoigu has been removed from the command of the Russian army in Ukraine

minsmum · 29/08/2022 10:38

mobile.twitter.com/rynkrynk/status/1563955990411841536 Ukrainian soldiers taking care of a wounded Stork

Underthesofa · 29/08/2022 11:05

Thank you for the new thread. I don’t post but always read.

What are the possible implications of Shoigu being removed? Is this good or bad for Ukraine?

MissConductUS · 29/08/2022 11:10

Underthesofa · 29/08/2022 11:05

Thank you for the new thread. I don’t post but always read.

What are the possible implications of Shoigu being removed? Is this good or bad for Ukraine?

I think it depends on who replaces him. He has always been a mystery to me. The man has no military background whatsoever, yet he was in charge of the military and walks around in a uniform that looks like it came out of a Gilbert and Sullivan musical.

MagicFox · 29/08/2022 11:27

"Video of Chinese soldiers and military equipment arriving in Russia for the Vostok 2022 exercise."

twitter.com/ralee85/status/1564192280587780098?s=21&t=0WSsThm_sTaNsOdezxUGtg

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Ijsbear · 29/08/2022 12:54

Key Takeaways

Russian President Vladimir Putin issued two decrees in a reported effort to assist stateless peoples and residents of Donbas and Ukraine live and work in the Russian Federation.

Russian forces conducted unsuccessful offensive operations northwest of Slovyansk.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks southeast of Bakhmut and west and southwest of Donetsk City.

Russian forces conducted a limited ground attack north of Kharkiv City.

Russian forces did not conduct any reported offensive operations in Kherson or Zaporizhzhia Oblasts.

The Kremlin likely directed a media outlet closely affiliated with Moscow to criticize the Governor of St. Petersburg Alexander Beglov for failing to incentivize recruitment to volunteer battalions within the city.

Russian occupation authorities continued efforts to facilitate the integration of the education system in occupied territories in Ukraine according to Russian standards.

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⚡️Mayor: Russian troops hit administrative building in the center of Kharkiv.

⚡️General Staff: Ukrainian forces repel Russian attacks in 5 directions.

⚡️Mayor: Town hosting Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant shelled on Aug. 28.

⚡️IAEA on its way to Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant.
Rafael Mariano Grossi, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said on Aug. 29 that their “support and assistant” mission to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Russian-occupied Enerhodar is now on its way there.
Headed by Grossi, the mission will be at the power plant later this week

⚡️Schemes: Satellite images show Russian forces building pontoon bridge near Antonivsky bridge. [I can't help thinking that this bridge has the life-expectancy of a fly in hell. Why are they even trying?]

⚡️Official: Russian forces ‘reconstructing’ Mariupol drama theatre, potentially covering war crimes.

⚡️Die Welt: German gas reserves at 82% capacity.
Despite reduced delivery volumes from Russia, the German Economic and Climate Action Minister Robert Habeck says natural gas storage facilities in Germany will reach 85% capacity by early September, writes Die Welt.

⚡️Borrell: EU unlikely to support visa ban for Russians.
In an interview on Aug. 28 with Austrian TV channel ORF, EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said that EU foreign ministers will be unlikely to unanimously support the visa ban

⚡️Nearly 35% of residents remain in Russian-occupied parts of Zaporizhzhia Oblast.

📷Russian Central Election Commission uses laptops stolen in Ukraine
To disguise the origin, a 'brilliant' decision was made just to cover up the Ukrainian letters.

📢 The Baltic States proposed to the European Commission to introduce new measures on trade and energy, and new restrictions on SWIFT into the 8th package of sanctions against the Russian Federation — the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Estonia

Considerable Russian personnel and equipment losses yesterday.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 30
Ukraine Invasion: Part 30
Ijsbear · 29/08/2022 12:55

From The Russia Guy telegram:

The FSB has identified (www.interfax.ru/russia/858653) an alleged accomplice in Daria Dugina's murder: another Ukrainian national, this one a man named Bogdan Tsyganenko. The agency says he supplied Natalya Vovk with the stolen license plates she used to exit Russia and helped her assemble the bomb used to kill Dugina. They allegedly rented a garage in southwest Moscow to build the thing. Tsyganenko left Russia a day before the car bombing, also via Estonia.

Alleging Ukrainian rocket attacks against civilian targets, occupation officials in Nova Kakhovka are evacuating (ria.ru/20220829/evakuatsiya-1812898438.html) all offices in the city. People are reportedly heading for shelters. Is Kyiv's counteroffensive happening for real now?

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