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I am a Black male stripper and naked cleaner/butler in London working almost exclusively for white women. AMA

271 replies

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 11:42

As the title says. Happy to answer any questions you might have.

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Hoppinggreen · 14/04/2024 12:50

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 12:41

No I don't. I have worked in corporate and academic environments and found the racism far worse.

Were you employed in those environments purely because you were black, hot and naked then?
I suppose at least with this job nobody is pretending that they arent racist

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 12:51

AIstolemylunch · 14/04/2024 12:47

Whats the sexual element if you are not offering sex then? Do the women masturbate while watching you? Isn't that a bit cringe?

Fair point about racism in corporate setting being worse, I can quite believe that, but you're still perpetuating a racial stereotype about black male studs no? Which I would find troublesome if I was a black male. I would never do prostitution as a women for a similar reason. No matter how much some individual female prostitutes say they are making money out of stupid punters and say they find it empowering, it damages other women imo and make sit harder for them to be taken seriously in the workplace imo. Do you worry about a similar societal effect of what you are involved in on young black males in the education system and workplace trying to be taken seriously?

The women do not masturbate while watching me. I am not sure why you think they would.

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sunglassesonthetable · 14/04/2024 12:51

I'm asking genuinely here - if you're there for an hour say, do you actually get an hours worth of cleaning done?

Or is it all chatting and giggles? The cleaning bit is just a silly add on , right?

0sm0nthus · 14/04/2024 12:51

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 12:46

You are right. But I am not providing sex or sexual services in that narrow sense; I am providing entertainment/performance with a sexual/physical element.

Thank you for your reply!
Would you say it is the case that the market for what you are currently providing is increasing?
And if so do you think this is an indication that the market for sex or sexual services (provided by straight men to straight women) in the narrow sense is now also likely to increase?

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 12:52

KateDelRick · 14/04/2024 12:39

Is your product your male, black physicality?

To an extent, but my ability to perform and entertain is vital too

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OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 12:53

sunglassesonthetable · 14/04/2024 12:51

I'm asking genuinely here - if you're there for an hour say, do you actually get an hours worth of cleaning done?

Or is it all chatting and giggles? The cleaning bit is just a silly add on , right?

Of course that is the usual expectation. Thank you for actually understanding what I do. (I do clean pretty well though if needed)

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Kinshipug · 14/04/2024 12:55

theduchessofspork · 14/04/2024 12:49

Is it though? I am curious rather than arguing with you. People sometimes have preferences for dating within racial groups, and most people accept that as just being a personal preference rather than racism.

Definitely. Of course there may be individuals for whom it is just a preference, but there is absolutely a pattern of fetishising and sexualising black men by white women with a massive undercurrent of subjugation and racism. I'm sure there has been research on it, but to be honest this is just based on my personal observations.

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 12:55

0sm0nthus · 14/04/2024 12:51

Thank you for your reply!
Would you say it is the case that the market for what you are currently providing is increasing?
And if so do you think this is an indication that the market for sex or sexual services (provided by straight men to straight women) in the narrow sense is now also likely to increase?

I really don't know about the general market. It took me a while to build up a reputation and clientele. I am not involved in or interested in the escort market.

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MistyBerkowitz · 14/04/2024 12:56

MrsSkylerWhite · 14/04/2024 12:35

“I have answered every question I have seen apart from the sarcastic ones about cleaning.

I’m not sure they’re sarcastic! Removing red wine is a real PITA 😄

I don’t think they were sarcastic either! There’s an entire housekeeping forum on here, OP, where people actually discuss stain removal. It’s entirely likely those posters wanted actual answers on limescale.

muggart · 14/04/2024 12:56

0sm0nthus · 14/04/2024 12:43

Hello @OliverMartins
My general understanding has always been that there is little to no market for straight male sex workers, and that this is because:
1-women have no need to pay for sex because it's easy to find men who are willing to have no strings casual encounters.
2-compared to men, women have less interest in no strings casual encounters.
I would be interested in your comments on this.
Thank you

i am interested in this too.

OP, do you have to hustle for new business? How many hours a week do you work? How do you market yourself?

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 12:57

RobinGet · 14/04/2024 12:40

Given the cost of living crisis, do your clients keep the heating on when you’re there? Or are you expected to work naked in a cold temperature?

People watching the purse strings tend not to hire me.

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samestyle · 14/04/2024 12:59

Are they allowed to touch you? Do you get groped or offer them a feel?

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 12:59

muggart · 14/04/2024 12:56

i am interested in this too.

OP, do you have to hustle for new business? How many hours a week do you work? How do you market yourself?

About 30 hours per week depending on evening/party bookings. Word of mouth has helped me build up my clientele.

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theduchessofspork · 14/04/2024 12:59

Kinshipug · 14/04/2024 12:55

Definitely. Of course there may be individuals for whom it is just a preference, but there is absolutely a pattern of fetishising and sexualising black men by white women with a massive undercurrent of subjugation and racism. I'm sure there has been research on it, but to be honest this is just based on my personal observations.

Yes I do agree with that, and it would be a concern.

@OliverMartins what do you think about this? Is it that you think for most of your clients it is genuinely just a preference with no undercurrents, or that any undercurrents that are there just aren’t your concern?

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 13:00

samestyle · 14/04/2024 12:59

Are they allowed to touch you? Do you get groped or offer them a feel?

"grope" is a very unpleasant word ...

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MistyBerkowitz · 14/04/2024 13:01

OP, is the ‘naked cleaning’ service entirely different to the ‘stripping/naked butlering’ one? I would have imagined it would be incredibly irritating to be at your own hen party and being told to lift your feet by a naked man with a vacuum cleaner.

allypally33 · 14/04/2024 13:03

How did you discover this site and why are you doing this AMA?

sunglassesonthetable · 14/04/2024 13:04

Seems like being a cleaner/butler is an excuse to have some masculine, sexual and hopefully ( fun) company whilst very much staying in control of the situation. Rather than 'escort' which is a very heavily loaded term. You being naked obviously highly sexualises the situation. Beginning to get my head around it.

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 13:04

theduchessofspork · 14/04/2024 12:59

Yes I do agree with that, and it would be a concern.

@OliverMartins what do you think about this? Is it that you think for most of your clients it is genuinely just a preference with no undercurrents, or that any undercurrents that are there just aren’t your concern?

If there are undercurrents, then they are leanings that my clients are aware of. My clients tend to have far greater self-awareness in this regard than many white people I know.
Just to make clear, I do no tolerate or accept any physical ro verbal race play at all.

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0sm0nthus · 14/04/2024 13:04

OP, do you devote much time to strength and conditioning, and what sort of regime/exercise modalities do you follow?

AIstolemylunch · 14/04/2024 13:05

For the hen parties or group bookings surely there will sometimes be black or mixed race women there too. Does that concern you or make things any more awkward?

What do you do about drunk women getting hands or does that not happen as much with women?

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 13:05

MistyBerkowitz · 14/04/2024 13:01

OP, is the ‘naked cleaning’ service entirely different to the ‘stripping/naked butlering’ one? I would have imagined it would be incredibly irritating to be at your own hen party and being told to lift your feet by a naked man with a vacuum cleaner.

A very astute and well-made observation

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OneSingleThreadOfGold · 14/04/2024 13:05

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 12:51

The women do not masturbate while watching me. I am not sure why you think they would.

I think people are imagining it to be exactly the same as if a man was hiring a woman to clean naked - but from your description, it sounds very different to that scenario.

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 13:07

AIstolemylunch · 14/04/2024 13:05

For the hen parties or group bookings surely there will sometimes be black or mixed race women there too. Does that concern you or make things any more awkward?

What do you do about drunk women getting hands or does that not happen as much with women?

It doesn't concern me at all. I am happy to cater for everybody.
On the other point, people by and large instinctively know where the boundaries are.

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Meepsh · 14/04/2024 13:07

OliverMartins · 14/04/2024 12:44

Racism is about power and this work is far more empowering than any I have done before.

Ah that old sex worker chestnut.

Yes it's so empowering as a black man to have a white woman stand over you as you do manual work, naked.

Just like it's so empowering for young women to dance naked for rich old men.

Pull the other one.