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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 13:21

I couldn't get up out of bed two days ago. I woke up with a really bad back. Every step that I took was agony.

I couldn't move off the couch to even get into my car, to go to the doctors. I waited a couple of days to rest my back, it didn't get any better, I called the doctor and she advised me to get an ambulance to bring me to a+e.

The ambulance arrived. I could barely walk. The paramedics were two men in their fifties. They were totally unprofessional. They were laughing and joking and rude.

I think the way they treated me was absolutely shocking.

They sat me in a chair in the ambulance. First of all they were asking me where the pain was. I said that it was in my lower back.

The first man said "ah it is probably tight arse syndrome. You probanly have a tight arse hahahaha.
Well You're not getting any younger are you? How old are you?"

I said that I'm in late thirties
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He said "see youre not getting any younger. You probanly have a tight arse. I'm old myself".

Then he came right up to me and said these exact words.

"Im old , I have rust on my undercarriage ".

Talking about his genitals. Isn't that shocking.

Then the second guy asked me "are you married.". I said "no".

The first guy said to the other guy "ah Jim you should ask her for her number then hahahaha".

The second guy said "no I wont". And then he said to me "he is always trying to set me up with people".

He didn't seem to realise that it is completely inappropriate to ever try to set up a paramedic colleague with a female patient who is alone, vulnerable, in pain, in the back of an ambulance.

All the while this "banter" was going on I was sitting there in a lot of pain, feeling a bit nervous.

The first paramedic then gave me some pain relief that I had to inhale. He asked me "do you drink". I said "occasionally". He said "how often". I said "about once a month". He said "this medication will be like a free night out for you hahahaha". "You'll have a good time on this".

He then shouted at me about the way I was holding the pain relief thing. He said "no don't hold it that way, oh for god sake I'll put it on you, I'm getting fed up with you". Because you had to loop a part of it around your hand.

I was at this stage worried about taking anything that would make me a bit lightheaded in front of them
Then I inhaled it. And the paramedic said to the other paramedic "ah you can tell that she's done this before ahhhahahaha" .

I wasn't laughing back at this. And the second paramedic glared at me and said "she's a very serious girl". I was thinking "of course I'm serious and not having a hilarious laugh, I'm in pain, in the back of an ambulance!". They were so unprofessional it was shocking.

When we got to the hospital, the first guy wheeled me in, brought me to the nurse and said "here is this one with back pain. Wait till I tell you - she asked me in the ambulance to go for a drink with her after this ahaha".I said "no I didn't". The nurse said "is he telling fibs". And rolled her eyes a little bit.

They were absolutely shocking. I couldn't believe the two of them

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skyofdiamonds · 16/11/2023 14:21

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wasthatafilm · 16/11/2023 14:26

Women can be utterly utterly evil.

You are spiralling. Those men treated you dreadfully but don't lay this at the feet of women.

I believe you. I would have been so scared and uncomfortable at the rust remark - that isn't "banter". It has so majorly crossed professional boundaries that it cannot be excused as banter.

WiddlinDiddlin · 16/11/2023 14:36

Doggymummar · 15/11/2023 13:25

I can't believe this is true. Very unusual

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You've not been in the back of enough ambulances then!

  • Yelled at for not taking 'steroids' medication daily - I was in agony, naked, in my room with two strange men. The 'steroids' he was yelling at me for not having taken regularly were a diuretic I have 'as and when' necessary. Twat.
  • Quizzed about my occupation, derided, scoffed at how much I make (this is after he'd assumed I was on out of work benefits and getting more than him), then challenged to come up with a solution to his problem, relevant to what I do. Whilst I was sat in the truck being assessed to see if I was having a heart attack.
  • Farting competition (albeit... my DP started that one). I was experiencing a fast AF that hadn't stopped in 3 hours at this point.

I've also had a lot of extremely lovely paramedics round and the only one of the above I complained about was the first one as he was flat out wrong and not his place to decide if I was taking prescribed meds properly. It was dealt with appropriately.

The others... sometimes they're trying to put people at their ease and miss the mark, sometimes by a very very long way. Sometimes they are trying to distract a patient so they don't panic.

Sometimes they just misjudge stuff and need pulling up on it, and if people complain then thats exactly what will happen.

Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 14:38

wasthatafilm · 16/11/2023 14:26

Women can be utterly utterly evil.

You are spiralling. Those men treated you dreadfully but don't lay this at the feet of women.

I believe you. I would have been so scared and uncomfortable at the rust remark - that isn't "banter". It has so majorly crossed professional boundaries that it cannot be excused as banter.

I'm talking about the multiple women on here who said "that didn't happen".

To me that is pure evil. I wouldn't dream of saying that to a woman.

I'm also thinking of numerous other incidents where I have seen women doing this.

A woman was raped in a town next to me. There were witnesses. It absolutely happened. The guy was prosecuted. Women in her town started calling her a liar and slut until she ended up killing herself.

Men can be evil and women can also be evil.

I have often seen women side with abusive rapist men over women, because they prefer to be "in" with the men.

It's just shocking.

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Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 14:40

wasthatafilm · 16/11/2023 14:26

Women can be utterly utterly evil.

You are spiralling. Those men treated you dreadfully but don't lay this at the feet of women.

I believe you. I would have been so scared and uncomfortable at the rust remark - that isn't "banter". It has so majorly crossed professional boundaries that it cannot be excused as banter.

Thanks for saying you believe me.

I was naive. When I came on here, I honestly thought the discussion would be about their behaviour and if I should report them.

I didn't even imagine having the discussion about people beliving me or not

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Lovemychair · 16/11/2023 16:17

Then I heard him say "activate CCTV" much later into the trip

I don't think they can control the cctv , it sort of defeats the object of having it .
Definitely complain though.

Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 16:21

Lovemychair · 16/11/2023 16:17

Then I heard him say "activate CCTV" much later into the trip

I don't think they can control the cctv , it sort of defeats the object of having it .
Definitely complain though.

They can control the CCTV.

Paramedics on this thread have said the the CCTV is only turned on when the paramedics want it to be turned on. Which is ridiculous.

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Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 16:23

SleepyRich · 15/11/2023 18:37

The cctv won't be voice activated, nothing in the health service is that high tech.

In what you describe there would be no reason for them to touch it. Some ambulances play a recording that cctv is present when you open the door so that's probably what you heard.

The cctv is not there to protect the patient, its only there to protect staff and cannot be accessed for anything other than that reason. It will save the footage if the crew press one of the buttons, when you hit it it saves the previous 30s until you turn it off again.

It's not recording all the time as most people wouldn't want the assessment recorded, plus they'd need to have a method for storing all the footage and the gdpr that goes with it. It would be very expensive and I know I wouldn't want to have a video camera above me all day would you want one above you at work all the time?!

That's if it's the same as the UK system of course.

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Why isn't the CCTV there to protect the patient?

It's only after being in an ambulance myself, that I have seen how little is there to protect a female patient. It's a scary situation.

CCTV should be recording all the time. Or a female nurse should be present all the time.

When I got into the A+E waiting room there was constant CCTV recording. So it should be constantly recording in ambulances too

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Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 16:46

Is everyone gone. I still wanted to talk about this today.

What do you think about the comment where he gave me pain relief, told me to suck it, then smirked when I sucked and said to the other man "you can tell that she has done that before"

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Zebedee55 · 16/11/2023 17:20

Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 13:52

I'm weighing up whether to report. I would like to protect other women.

However, I live in small town Ireland..one of the paramedics is a coach in the local GAA here, he is heavily involved in the community.

I know from previous bitter experience, (not just my own, but female friends) that if I complain about a man being inappropriate in small town Ireland, that it will be me who will be blamed, and my family that is affected.

That is how these men get away with it. One man in the local community said something disgusting to a woman I know.

She complained about it, and the community shunned her not him. She was seen as "making a big deal". She ended up having to move away.

It seems like it will be pointless to complain as even if I reported it and I dd complain, and he lost his job, he would still live near me, and I would be totally shunned, and I would feel the anger from his friends and family.

That is how these men get away with stuff like this in a small community.

I don't know anything about Irish health care, but, if it happened then report it.

Over here, in England, I had to call a lot of ambulances for DH (lots of emergencies), and they were always respectful, kind and friendly.

Yes, we'd have a smile with some of them, but it was always appropriate and within boundaries.

WiddlinDiddlin · 16/11/2023 17:57

He was clearly being 'funny', but I would have snorted with laughter at that comment, whereas you were upset by it.

I can see how its not appropriate, for you - for me though there are times id rather be distracted by someone sailing a bit close to the wind and being familiar, jokey, rude even... than focus on the potential horror of a situation (and in my case, it is potentially pretty scary, I've a lot of things I'll eventually die of and the chances that I kark it in the back of an ambulance are pretty high)...

As I said before, all you can do NOW is make a complaint. We can go round and round as to whether its appropriate, whether its funny or whether someone else would have found it amusing - thats all relevant to the person in question so everyones going to say something slightly different there.

You know how you felt. You found it upsetting, it made you feel anxious or vulnerable or highlighted your vulnerablity, those things are worthy of a complaint and I do agree it sounds like these particular paramedics need to rein it in and be more thoughtful!

Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 18:02

Zebedee55 · 16/11/2023 17:20

I don't know anything about Irish health care, but, if it happened then report it.

Over here, in England, I had to call a lot of ambulances for DH (lots of emergencies), and they were always respectful, kind and friendly.

Yes, we'd have a smile with some of them, but it was always appropriate and within boundaries.

I cant report it as I live fairly near the two men in small town Ireland.

If i report it, the repurcussions would be much more serious for me than for them .

They might get a verbal warning. What would happen to me is that their families would make my life a misery forever more in the town.

I have met many inappropriate men in Ireland. I only ever complained about one man a long time ago.

The man joked about having sex in children. Disgusting right. I complained. I did get an apology from the organisations. However I began to be shunned around the town bu the men's friends. If I bumped into them in the town, they would harass and bully me. I had to move away from that town.

Ive never complained about a man again. I know that it will just be me that suffers.

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MaliciaKeys · 16/11/2023 18:20

They'll get more than a verbal warning. For the sake of other vulnerable women needing an ambulance, you really do need to report these men.

HollaHolla · 16/11/2023 18:22

OK, OP; in the kindest possible tone here....

  • I'm not sure it's helping you to go over and over it here, unless you're taking some advice on what to do next. You are understandably upset, but there is a little bit of histrionic input here.
  • If you do not wish to report the incident, then you need to think about what benefit you're getting from talking it over like this.
  • If you feel that you want to stop this happening again (which you've said already), then you do need to report this. I've previously added advice on what you should do about recording the incident for this purpose.
  • If you are not going to pursue it, and you feel that you do need to talk it over, then can you access any talking therapies through your GP, or work even? (Sorry, I'm not up to scratch with the ROI health services.)
Take care of yourself, whatever you decide to do next.
YeahIsaidit · 16/11/2023 18:25

Not the point but undercarriage when used in that way doesn't usually mean genitals but bum...

Lower back pain, maybe he was just trying to use humour to cheer you up a bit by empathising and didn't read the room correctly

Flickersy · 16/11/2023 18:44

OP, I hope you take my post in the constructive way it's meant.

You've posted a lot (not just on this thread) about men being inappropriate.

You've posted a lot (not just on this thread) about women being evil or crueller than men.

You've posted a lot about your abandonment issues you have from your parents.

I really think you would benefit from some rigorous therapy to help you work through the trauma from your childhood. It sounds like it's colouring all of the interactions you have day to day and you're hypervigilant, watching for threats from every corner.

I really do think you could benefit hugely from therapy.

Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 19:03

Flickersy · 16/11/2023 18:44

OP, I hope you take my post in the constructive way it's meant.

You've posted a lot (not just on this thread) about men being inappropriate.

You've posted a lot (not just on this thread) about women being evil or crueller than men.

You've posted a lot about your abandonment issues you have from your parents.

I really think you would benefit from some rigorous therapy to help you work through the trauma from your childhood. It sounds like it's colouring all of the interactions you have day to day and you're hypervigilant, watching for threats from every corner.

I really do think you could benefit hugely from therapy.

I don't think it was constructive.

The ambulance being inappropriate to me is nothing to do with my past.

One of the ambulance men said to the other man that he should take my number and ask me out , while I was sitting there in an ambulance.

Do you think that is appropriate? That has nothing to do with my past . That is totally inappropriate and unprofessional.

I'm not always complaining about inappropriate men. I have many positive encounters with men. I have a lovely male dentist, who is extrmely professional and who has never made me feel uncomfortable ever.

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Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 19:05

Flickersy · 16/11/2023 18:44

OP, I hope you take my post in the constructive way it's meant.

You've posted a lot (not just on this thread) about men being inappropriate.

You've posted a lot (not just on this thread) about women being evil or crueller than men.

You've posted a lot about your abandonment issues you have from your parents.

I really think you would benefit from some rigorous therapy to help you work through the trauma from your childhood. It sounds like it's colouring all of the interactions you have day to day and you're hypervigilant, watching for threats from every corner.

I really do think you could benefit hugely from therapy.

Do you think it's okay for a paramedic to say to another paramedic "you should ask for her number" about a patient in pain in the ambulance. And she is alone with two men.

Cuz I think it's awful

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Flickersy · 16/11/2023 19:08

Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 19:05

Do you think it's okay for a paramedic to say to another paramedic "you should ask for her number" about a patient in pain in the ambulance. And she is alone with two men.

Cuz I think it's awful

No OP, I don't think it's appropriate. But I do think you're having an extreme reaction to it.

Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 19:11

Oh I see in my op that I forgot to write about the very last thing that happened. The two men said so much crap to me that it was hard to write down everything they said.

When I got out of the ambulance , one man was behind me still in the ambulance, and the other man was down on the ground. I was struggling down the steps. The guy on the ambulance said to the other man on the ground "she wants you to catch her Jim! Haha!"

Then the first guy put me in a wheelchair and wheeled me into the nurse.

When we got to the nurse The ambulance guy made one last 'hilarious' final joke about my back pain to the nurse.

The joke was that I must sleep like how an animal sleeps, to get the back pain that I did. It wasn't funny.
The nurse didn't find it funny.
The nurse apologised to me. The nurse turned to me and said to me "I'm sorry about that Ann".

He said "I'm only having the craic!!"

She apologised for him . She didn't think he was funny either

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Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 19:13

Flickersy · 16/11/2023 19:08

No OP, I don't think it's appropriate. But I do think you're having an extreme reaction to it.

I'm not having an extreme reaction to it. That was inappropriate but it was the least abusive thing they did. What I am having an extreme reaction to is when he told me to suck on the pain relief.

He shouted "suck it" at me.

Then while I was sucking on the pain relief, he turned to the other man and smirked and said "you can tell that she has done that before". While I was alone with them
That is the bit that I am traumatised about. I felt scared of the two of them. It was traumatic.

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Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 19:14

He said "suck it" to tell me to suck on the pain relief, then when I was sucking it he smirked and said "you can tell she has done that before" about me sucking.

That was awful

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YeahIsaidit · 16/11/2023 19:16

You seem to be quite a dramatic person... I agree with pp that you'd maybe benefit from therapy or speaking to someone about anxiety issues? It seems that you think that everyone is out to get you/make you feel bad and have extreme reactions to things you dislike or feel uncomfortable with. It isn't normal to live and feel this way and you need to speak to someone that could help

Mooshamoo · 16/11/2023 19:18

WiddlinDiddlin · 16/11/2023 17:57

He was clearly being 'funny', but I would have snorted with laughter at that comment, whereas you were upset by it.

I can see how its not appropriate, for you - for me though there are times id rather be distracted by someone sailing a bit close to the wind and being familiar, jokey, rude even... than focus on the potential horror of a situation (and in my case, it is potentially pretty scary, I've a lot of things I'll eventually die of and the chances that I kark it in the back of an ambulance are pretty high)...

As I said before, all you can do NOW is make a complaint. We can go round and round as to whether its appropriate, whether its funny or whether someone else would have found it amusing - thats all relevant to the person in question so everyones going to say something slightly different there.

You know how you felt. You found it upsetting, it made you feel anxious or vulnerable or highlighted your vulnerablity, those things are worthy of a complaint and I do agree it sounds like these particular paramedics need to rein it in and be more thoughtful!

If you had severe back pain, would you find a paramedic saying that "you had a tight arse" funny?

I can't imagine anyone finding that hilarious while they are sitting in an ambulance.

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