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Inappropriate ambulance ride

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 13:21

I couldn't get up out of bed two days ago. I woke up with a really bad back. Every step that I took was agony.

I couldn't move off the couch to even get into my car, to go to the doctors. I waited a couple of days to rest my back, it didn't get any better, I called the doctor and she advised me to get an ambulance to bring me to a+e.

The ambulance arrived. I could barely walk. The paramedics were two men in their fifties. They were totally unprofessional. They were laughing and joking and rude.

I think the way they treated me was absolutely shocking.

They sat me in a chair in the ambulance. First of all they were asking me where the pain was. I said that it was in my lower back.

The first man said "ah it is probably tight arse syndrome. You probanly have a tight arse hahahaha.
Well You're not getting any younger are you? How old are you?"

I said that I'm in late thirties
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He said "see youre not getting any younger. You probanly have a tight arse. I'm old myself".

Then he came right up to me and said these exact words.

"Im old , I have rust on my undercarriage ".

Talking about his genitals. Isn't that shocking.

Then the second guy asked me "are you married.". I said "no".

The first guy said to the other guy "ah Jim you should ask her for her number then hahahaha".

The second guy said "no I wont". And then he said to me "he is always trying to set me up with people".

He didn't seem to realise that it is completely inappropriate to ever try to set up a paramedic colleague with a female patient who is alone, vulnerable, in pain, in the back of an ambulance.

All the while this "banter" was going on I was sitting there in a lot of pain, feeling a bit nervous.

The first paramedic then gave me some pain relief that I had to inhale. He asked me "do you drink". I said "occasionally". He said "how often". I said "about once a month". He said "this medication will be like a free night out for you hahahaha". "You'll have a good time on this".

He then shouted at me about the way I was holding the pain relief thing. He said "no don't hold it that way, oh for god sake I'll put it on you, I'm getting fed up with you". Because you had to loop a part of it around your hand.

I was at this stage worried about taking anything that would make me a bit lightheaded in front of them
Then I inhaled it. And the paramedic said to the other paramedic "ah you can tell that she's done this before ahhhahahaha" .

I wasn't laughing back at this. And the second paramedic glared at me and said "she's a very serious girl". I was thinking "of course I'm serious and not having a hilarious laugh, I'm in pain, in the back of an ambulance!". They were so unprofessional it was shocking.

When we got to the hospital, the first guy wheeled me in, brought me to the nurse and said "here is this one with back pain. Wait till I tell you - she asked me in the ambulance to go for a drink with her after this ahaha".I said "no I didn't". The nurse said "is he telling fibs". And rolled her eyes a little bit.

They were absolutely shocking. I couldn't believe the two of them

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Makemydaypunk · 15/11/2023 14:10

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 15/11/2023 14:01

Actually I remember these posts now, what happened with the complaints about the inappropriate male gp, and the other doctors you complained about?

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And the inappropriate estate agent.

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 14:15

Makemydaypunk · 15/11/2023 14:10

And the inappropriate estate agent.

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Who was also inappropriate. As I remember the estate agent came round to the house and said to me nothing about selling the house, he kept saying to me "youre beautiful, youre gorgeous, you're so gorgeous". Then we came to take photos of the rooms, he said "let's get you sitting on the couch , while I take the photos, I want to take photos of you, the house will sell for a million more if we have photos of you in the pictures".

You could say the theme is me , or you could say there are a lot of inappropriate men out there.

I have dealt with several inappropriate men in my life.
These two ambulance men were the worst by far. By a million miles. They were absolutely disgusting .

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 14:17

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Read what I said. It's not that easy. I have to live near these two men. I live in small town Ireland..they live not far up the road from me.

I know in this instance that al the evidence is on my side, and I know if i reported them that they would be sacked.

However I also know that I will have to live near them and their families after that, and that the situation would become unbearable for me and my family, to live near them

So I need to think for a couple of days about reporting it.

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 14:19

I know all the evidence is on my side. And that I would in all likelihood get them sacked. They deserve to be sacked. They are disgusting. However I also know that their families will make my family's life an absolute misery if I get these men sacked.

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 14:26

I just feel really upset about it today. I'm going to visit my elderly mum this evening and I don't even want to tell her, as I know it will deeply deeply upset her.

Maybe it's best not to tell anyone and just put it up there with inappropriate men experiences that I can't do anything about.

Interestingly my mum told me a long time ago that she once had a very bad experience in an ambulance.

She was aged 10, and have had polio and she was paralyzed. An ambulance picked her up from her house. Then they stopped to pick a teenage boy up. The female and male paramedic went to sit in the front of the ambulance.

My mum said that the teenage boy began to say to her that he was going to rape her.

My mum said that she began to scream and scream and that the paramedics in the front heard her, she told the femal what happened, and the female came back and sat with her.

People do terrible things. And they especially take advantage of women when they are weak and vulnerable

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MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 15/11/2023 14:26

Well report them and get them sacked. Get them all sacked, gp, estate agent, paramedics!

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 14:30

If a woman came on here and said that a man sexually or verbally abused her, I wouldn't dream of saying "that didn't happen". Because if it it did happen, I would know that saying "that didn't happen" would really upset her. If I thought it didn't happen, I would probably keep that opinion to myself.

I sometimes sadly feel that it is women that help to keep these things going. They blame the woman. Women on this thread have ppinted out that I said that two other men were inappropriate in the past to me. Instead of these women saying "maybe those men were actually inappropriate" they seem to be saying it's my fault for finding these men inappropriate

That's very sad.

There was a male swimming coach recently found guilty of secretly filming underage girls in Dublin .was he inappropriate, was he abusing his power? A lot of men abuse their power when they are alone with women and girls

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SleepyRich · 15/11/2023 14:30

Paramedic myself, I've heard of banter/lightening the mood but if that's how they acted then definitely report that's not acceptable.

I can imagine what they thought about being sent to a gp admission to a&e for non-traumatic back pain in a 30yr old, not much chance of it being an emergency and should really have managed you themselves.

Its entirely possible the crew were not paramedics. A lot of private companies have sprung up underbiding the NHS on patient transport contracts, which they can do because they use staff with no real training or qualification just a first aid certificate. Not to excuse the comments they made but might go together with the absent professionalism.

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 14:33

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 15/11/2023 14:26

Well report them and get them sacked. Get them all sacked, gp, estate agent, paramedics!

Have you reported every man that was sexually inappropriate to you?

It's not that easy!

If the society was on women's side and made it easy for women, more women would report
I know that if I report this ambulance man, my life will become unbearable for me and my family in the town I live in and we I'll have to move away.

This happens a lot!

I remember a rape victim in America reported her rapist. Her family were bullied d and targeted so badly that her family had to move away. Her family's house was burned to the ground.

Then there was the woman who reported her rapist in Kerry , Ireland, and all the local men took the rapists side and bullied her out of the town

It is not that easy to report men

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 14:35

SleepyRich · 15/11/2023 14:30

Paramedic myself, I've heard of banter/lightening the mood but if that's how they acted then definitely report that's not acceptable.

I can imagine what they thought about being sent to a gp admission to a&e for non-traumatic back pain in a 30yr old, not much chance of it being an emergency and should really have managed you themselves.

Its entirely possible the crew were not paramedics. A lot of private companies have sprung up underbiding the NHS on patient transport contracts, which they can do because they use staff with no real training or qualification just a first aid certificate. Not to excuse the comments they made but might go together with the absent professionalism.

Just to clarify that I'm in Ireland so not using the NHS.

Regarding the back pain. I waited three days and I was still unable to get off the couch, take a single step. I was not able to walk to the car. I was in agony. I rang the doctor and she told me to call an ambulance. When I got to a and e they said I was right to go in as I was in such extreme pain. They kept me in overnight and hooked me up to painkillers all night

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 14:37

I'm nearly sadder at the women saying to me on here "that didn't happen" them what the men did. Why would you say that to anyone?

I'm still traumatised by the men aswell. There was something particularly awful about them

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 14:42

EvilElsa · 15/11/2023 13:37

I will say that when we had to call an ambulance for my grandad ten years ago the paramedics were absolutely awful and totally unprofessional so I wouldn't automatically dismiss this as a made up post. We were in shock at the time with a dying man on the floor so didn't address anything there and then, but to say they were callous and inappropriate is an understatement.
I also know amazing paramedics who are compassionate and totally professional. Doesn't mean bad ones don't exist.

Some of those.paramedics are disgusting. They shouldn't be anywhere near sick people
.I'm sorry that happened to your grandad.

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Wwwnothingdotcom · 15/11/2023 14:44

The problem is OP, that it looks on MN that you have some problem with every male you encounter including neighbours etc....

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 14:48

Wwwnothingdotcom · 15/11/2023 14:44

The problem is OP, that it looks on MN that you have some problem with every male you encounter including neighbours etc....

I don't have a probelm with every male I encounter.

There are two other male doctors in my doctor's practice that are absolutely lovely..I get on fine with them. There is one male doctor there that I don't want to see as he is inappropriate.

I have a male dentist, he is absolutely lovely.

I'm doing an online college course. I have two male lecturers that I talk to, they are absolutely respectful and lovely.

One male doctor came in to see me in the hospital this morning . He was kind, respectful, and told me what he was doing before he did it. He didn't talk about his penis.

I only have a problem with the men who are inappropriate to me. I'm still fucking fuming at the guy coming over to me in the ambulance and talking to me about his penis
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It's abuse. It's fucking disgusting

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MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 15/11/2023 14:48

SleepyRich · 15/11/2023 14:30

Paramedic myself, I've heard of banter/lightening the mood but if that's how they acted then definitely report that's not acceptable.

I can imagine what they thought about being sent to a gp admission to a&e for non-traumatic back pain in a 30yr old, not much chance of it being an emergency and should really have managed you themselves.

Its entirely possible the crew were not paramedics. A lot of private companies have sprung up underbiding the NHS on patient transport contracts, which they can do because they use staff with no real training or qualification just a first aid certificate. Not to excuse the comments they made but might go together with the absent professionalism.

Ah I wonder this, it wasn't seen to be life threatening just in need of transport so non qualified people sent out?

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 14:53

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 15/11/2023 14:48

Ah I wonder this, it wasn't seen to be life threatening just in need of transport so non qualified people sent out?

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They were qualified, because when I first got on the ambulance, I said to tlone of them politely "it must be an interesting job being a paramedic" and he said "yeah it is , I did a level 8 qualification, and I got paid to do it, that was great".

Level 8 is a bachelor's degree in Ireland.

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I genuinely can't see what is hard to believe about it. There have been numerous incidents reported about men in the medical profession - who were sexually abusing their patients.

Remember the surgeon who orally raped his female patients?

Remember the Doctor who sexually abused nearly all of the teenage gymnasts on the USA teen female gymnastics team.

Can you clarify what you find hard to believe about what I've said? Is it because they were medical professionals?

Them being medical professionals doesn't mean anything really - medical professionals have been convicted for rape in the past.

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SleepyRich · 15/11/2023 15:14

Yes that is quite routine in the UK at least (I presume Ireland/other countries may have similar setups) that unqualified crews are sent for transport - in the UK these are often employed by private companies staffed by whomever they can get hold of. A mixed ability bunch shall we say, I've met some that are very good, others that have very poorly equipped vehicles and really no insight into the vulnerability of their patients/recognising that they're actually unwell.

Regards cctv, we have them in vehicles and staff can wear them. Under terms of employment they only ever record when activated so staff have to press a button. I.e. violent behaviour. Employers are not allowed to use them to check up on staff or even in the event of a compliant.

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 15:20

SleepyRich · 15/11/2023 15:14

Yes that is quite routine in the UK at least (I presume Ireland/other countries may have similar setups) that unqualified crews are sent for transport - in the UK these are often employed by private companies staffed by whomever they can get hold of. A mixed ability bunch shall we say, I've met some that are very good, others that have very poorly equipped vehicles and really no insight into the vulnerability of their patients/recognising that they're actually unwell.

Regards cctv, we have them in vehicles and staff can wear them. Under terms of employment they only ever record when activated so staff have to press a button. I.e. violent behaviour. Employers are not allowed to use them to check up on staff or even in the event of a compliant.

I was just thinking.

I remember hearing the paramedic say "activate CCTV", when we were near the hospital, after he said the inappropriate comments.

He knew what he was going. He said all of the inappropriate comments, before he turned the CCTV on. The sick fuck.

How does that CCTV system in ambulances make any sense. If the CCTV is only turned on when the paramedic asks for it to be turned on, then there is nothing to protect patients at all.

The CCTV should be continually recording

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 15:22

That should say "he knew what he was doing".

He said all those inappropriate comments to me while the cctv was turned off. Then I heard him say "activate CCTV" much later into the trip. And then he didn't say anything more inappropriate while we were in the ambulance. The horrible man. He knew what he was doing.

The CCTV seems like it is currently set up to protect the paramedics from violent patients, it is not set up to protect patients in any way

If the paramedic can turn the CCTV on and off, they are just going to say whatever abuse they want, then turn the CCTV on ,then stop what they're saying

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Mooshamoo · 15/11/2023 15:27

I still feel grubby and dirt after being in that ambulance. I'm sick to fucking death of men being perverts to me.

A man talking to me about his penis while I'm in terrible pain is a new low.

This world can be fucking evil.

I just saw that a male swim coach was convicted in Ireland for videoing underage teenage girls in changing rooms. He was a very respected swimming coach. Are we safe anywhere

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Tonight1 · 15/11/2023 15:34

I had a doctor behave inappropriately once - I got myself a medical advocate, she said even if it couldn't be proved, if it happened to someone else then it would build up a pattern.

Still gave me the complete jitters doing it though. She wrote the letter.