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AIBU to think you should sign this petition to ask the government to consult with women about Self ID?

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MIngerDynasty Mon 12-Mar-18 14:18:47

Your details remain private, I don't want to start yet another trans thread but I thnk we can all agree that there needs to be more discussion with the people affected by the changes in law!

Fugitivefrombrusstice Mon 12-Mar-18 14:21:08

You do want to start yet another trans thread. If you didn't, you wouldn't have started yet another trans thread hmm

TooManyPaws Mon 12-Mar-18 14:25:20

OFFS. Not another bloody trans thread. If you clutch your pearls tight enough they might turn into diamonds.

Meanwhile the rest of the world will carry on supporting our friends who happen to be trans. And I don't give two hoots who is in the cubicle next to me when I'm pissing. I got over that pretty quickly in military accommodation.

Collidascope Mon 12-Mar-18 14:25:55


MIngerDynasty Mon 12-Mar-18 14:26:31

It's not a trans thread hmm

It's a thread about a government petition regarding women's rights. HTH

But thank you for bumping flowers

athingthateveryoneneeds Mon 12-Mar-18 14:26:37

Signed. Thanks for bringing this to AIBU

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth Mon 12-Mar-18 14:26:44

Signed. Thanks for the thread

Polarbearflavour Mon 12-Mar-18 14:26:57

Signed cake

Collidascope Mon 12-Mar-18 14:27:05

It's asking women to be consulted, FFS. That's hardly radical.

Fugitivefrombrusstice Mon 12-Mar-18 14:27:54

Would love to know exactly how you think you'll be affected by self-ID?

MIngerDynasty Mon 12-Mar-18 14:29:05

And I don't give two hoots who is in the cubicle next to me when I'm pissing. I got over that pretty quickly in military accommodation.

So you did have an issue with who you were pissing next to ? grin Your daughter might mind sharing a shower with a girl with a penis, so maybe consider her feelings or the many vulnerable women in prisons. Most of who are there for non violent offenses and have suffered DV

ThroughThickAndThin01 Mon 12-Mar-18 14:31:05

Signed. Thanks OP.

MIngerDynasty Mon 12-Mar-18 14:31:47

There are eleventy billion threads regarding the concerns around self ID fugitive, and I know I have seen you on some of them. So I'm not sure why you need me to rehash them.

Fugitivefrombrusstice Mon 12-Mar-18 14:34:59

Because I think if you're going to be the person who starts YET ANOTHER thread and contributes to the generally hostile atmosphere on MN, the least you can do is accept the work of defending a position that many of us consider to be prejudiced and largely indefensible. But I appreciate that stoking outrage is more satisfying than having a debate hmm

Frequency Mon 12-Mar-18 14:36:24

Would love to know exactly how you think you'll be affected by self-ID?

In all likelihood, it won't affect me. But I have daughters, one who is gay. If they committed a crime and were imprisoned for it, I don't want them to be sharing a cell with 'a lady penis', especially if that 'lady penis' has been used as a weapon against a 'lady vagina'.

I don't want my lesbian daughter to feel pressured into fucking a 'lady penis' lest she be branded transphobic and bullied online and in her social circle.

I don't want my sporting daughter to be competing against MtF transwomen who are physically larger, stronger and faster than her.

I don't want either of my daughters to end up in women's shelters, but if they do, I want to know that there won't be any 'lady penises' sharing their space when they are vulnerable and frightened.

I fully support my trans friends. Oddly, they're all against self-id.

sinceyouask Mon 12-Mar-18 14:36:36

No, thank you, I would rather not sign this petition.

DalekDalekDalek Mon 12-Mar-18 14:37:07

Why just consult women? Why not men too?

NoSquirrels Mon 12-Mar-18 14:38:14

It's not a "trans" thread, though. It is about a petition to consult with women. This is Mumsnet - we are predominantly a collective of women. Don't sign if you think it's fine to allow the laws to change so that anyone can self-identify as anything they like - that's fine. But don't be all snippy about it.

I am supportive of trans people. I actually don't care who pisses next to me either. But I am alarmed by the idea that the law could change so that biological sex will be superceded by self-identified "gender", and that essential women's spaces/categories will become non-existent. It's not about me, but it is about the rights of women.

Would love to know exactly how you think you'll be affected by self-ID?

See above. It's not about me. But it is about vulnerable women (women's refuges, women's prisons, women's-only sessions in counselling etc etc).

I'd be very happy with gender-neutral spaces and organisations etc as long as sex-segregated spaces could exist alongside them. And I can't see what the possible objection to that could be. Whereas there are lots of extremely valid reasons why it's not a good idea to lose those "safe" spaces entirely.

CircleSquareCircleSquare Mon 12-Mar-18 14:39:57

How is it indefensible to ask to be consulted on the possibility of having your rights fragmented? If you don’t think self ID laws will lead to even one bloke abusing them then you’re living in a much rosier world than I am.

Signed and forwarded.

Iminthecclubnow Mon 12-Mar-18 14:41:11

I honestly find it really sad that people don't care that women who have been abused/raped/beaten might be forced to share refuges with people with penises. And if self id goes through we are not even talking about transwomen who still have penises but have been 'living as a woman' (whatever that means) for years - it means any man who has declared himself a woman.

I don't get how people can just brush that off as nothing?

Never mind things like sports, prisons or just simply allowing women to state their boundaries when it comes to interacting with the opposite sex.

Truscum Mon 12-Mar-18 14:42:03

My life has already been made more difficult by Self ID, and it’s not even bloody in yet. I’ve had to change how I refer to myself in order to distance myself from these abusive shits demanding lesbians accept them as women, ranting that it’s literally violence if you don’t renounce what everyone knows is undeniable truth.

My niece is very in to sport. Should I tell her now that there is no point, don’t bother training for years? Because a mediocre man can come along, call himself Shirley and beat her senseless at any contact sport? (And don’t you dare tell me that is not happening, it is, right now)

I think you’ll find most decent trans people also want this, why shouldn’t women be consulted. We live in a democracy, why can’t genuine concerns be aired and debated?!

MIngerDynasty Mon 12-Mar-18 14:42:26

Why just consult women? Why not men too?

Women's groups are the one's leading the way against self ID. Men seem largely not interested due to it not affecting them. I can't actually think of any men's groups in general though, free masons maybe?

But if you start a petition asking for men's groups to be consulted, I'm sure people will sign it to.

Iminthecclubnow Mon 12-Mar-18 14:42:31

And if you actually bothered to read, it's not another trans thread. It is a petition asking for women to be consulted on government plans to effectively end sex segregation.

CircleSquareCircleSquare Mon 12-Mar-18 14:43:18

And my letter (first post of the link below) shows exactly why I would be opposed to Male bodies in female spaces

GenderApostate Mon 12-Mar-18 14:43:21

Being worried about the right to privacy and dignity of Women and Girls is ‘prejudiced and indefensible’ ? shock
Knowing that Sex offenders would use self-id to gain better access to victims is ‘prejudiced and indefensible’ ? When we know it is already happening ?
Women are a protected class in Law for very good reasons.

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