To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?

[Badmoonsarising]

i’d like them to clarify exactly what their definition of “transphobic” is because it seems to have become a slur these days often aimed at anyone but mostly women who are critical of or question in any way the recent upsurge of identity politics. I just feel they’re doing a knee jerk, ignorant, unnecessary huge fuck you to women.

I’d love to see the replies though. I’m imagining a lot of ‘fuck off’ and ‘away and xxxxxx’.

So now just saying transphobia is bad is an attack on women? Jesus wept.

We could make a list of politicians who support women.
But I don't think it would be long enough to actually be called a list

Saying it is actual murder dontcha know. It’s like when you go to a pantomime and they tell you that if you dont say that you believe in fairies, tinkerbell dies (yes I know it was over 40 years ago but I’m still traumatised by having to lie - I knew it was bullshit then and was furious that I have to fib - and most likely go to hell).

Point out the bit of this discription you think you ought to be able to do in order to protect women. Go on.

‘Dear’? Sounds like Big Brother

Beat up women. Murder them and kids too if you will, not do not - ever - call a man in a skirt ‘Oi mister’

Holy. Shit.

Crying ‘transphobe’ is not used to call out hate, but to silence debate.

So now just saying transphobia is bad is an attack on women? Jesus wept.

As i said, idlike to know exactly what their definition of “transphobia” actually is before they go telling people they are transphobic and hateful for certain views and beliefs. I am classed as transphobic (unreasonably in my view) by many trans folk and i don’t expect the Scottish government to jump in on this hot potato debate and taking sides to score virtue points.

For most of us, it’s pretty clear.

What counts as discriminatory or prejudiced? Not believing black people are equal? Not believing in black talent? Not wanting to fuck black people? believing in racial stereotypes? Believing in genetic differences between races? I wish the Scottish Government would clarify these actions or ideas.

See how obvious is it when your words are in reference to a less acceptable prejudice? See how you’re just as righteous and exasperated and indignant and self-assured as racists of 50 years ago?

No, of course you don’t. Because you can’t see outside of your own prejudice, and you’re utterly incapable of seeing that it’s the exact same bigotry. But racists also believe their prejudices are supported by fact. They also believe they’re under threat from people of other races. They also think they’re fighting on the side of science and decency. You will never be able to admit it, but you are cut from the same cloth.

Blanched as humiliating seems to include not agreeing that they are women, then yes. All of us are by that definition transphobic.

But the rest is just hyperbole as it equally applies to women, and many young people.

That's the problem when ideology is used to control behaviour and frame laws. It never makes sense, is often quite contrary, lacking in internal congruence and is just plain stupid!

Given the issues facing Scotland, the UK and the world at large at the moment, I'm not sure why the single biggest message the Scottish government feels the need to convey is about trans issues.

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say that the word "transphobic" is inherently anti-woman, but I do think a lot of the rhetoric used to describe gender critical woman is itself hateful (eg terf etc).

See how obvious is it when your words are in reference to a less acceptable prejudice? See how you’re just as righteous and exasperated and indignant and self-assured as racists of 50 years ago? No, it isn't. Really it isn't.

A black person is a black person. A transwoman is not a woman! Trying to conflate the 2 is ridiculous and, as is often pointed out here, the most homophobic cohort in the UK would appear to be TRAs!

Yeah Blanche, you changed the other words there, so no, your argument does not hold. Those are not the statements that Irnbru made. Try doing it accurately and then see if your logic holds. Hint: it won’t.

Blanched I've fixed your analogy for you.

What counts as discriminatory or prejudiced? Not believing white people who identify as black people are equal? Not believing in white people who identify as black talent? Not wanting to fuck white people who identify as black? Believing that displaying racial stereotypes makes you that race? Believing in genetic differences between races? I wish the Scottish Government would clarify these actions or ideas.

Silly transrace phobes who think skin colour has anything to do with racial discrimination.

Not sure how this can be defined an attack on women? Am I missing the message completely? Can someone explain because I am extremely confused. I have seen the message "Dear transphobes...Scotland" - why would this be aimed at women?

The full poster says transphobic behaviour is harassing trans people in the street and in clubs. Or threatening them online.

I think that's perfectly valid to speak out against. Regardless of what some activists say and do, no trans person should experience any of the above. Let's not let the hyperbolic accusations of some activists drag us all down to a place where we can't agree that harassment and abuse of anyone is wrong.

I would probably feel more sympathetic if misogyny was included in those posters. But for some reason that kind of hate is not being included in the revamp/invention of 'hate crime'.

Those behaviours would be reprehensible no matter who the victim! I don't need to be told not to behave despicably towards anyone And people who feel free to do so won't stop because of a poster, or a logo!

If we refuse to engage with such divisiveness and stop defining cohorts specifically, othering people, creating a hierarchy, and just say "hating on anyone will not be tolerated" we might get somewhere!

Blanchedupetitpois, you altered irnbruforlife's comment to suit your book. If you stick to what she actually said your comment doesn't make sense, let alone prove a point.

Race as a comparison actually highlights how unreasonable genderist expectations are. At the same time Caitlyn Jenner was winning Woman of the Year,, Rachel Dolezal, a white woman who identified as black was being slammed for appropriating a racial identity to which she wasn't entitled. The comparison opened the eyes of lot of women to the invasive, appropriative tactics of transactivism.

As merely pointing out that women don't have a penis qualifies as transphobia I no longer give a flying fuck if I'm accused of it. Homophobia however does matter to me, and the TRAs expectation that lesbians should have sex with men if they identify as women is truly appalling.

The full poster says transphobic behaviour is harassing trans people in the street and in clubs. Or threatening them online.

As the trans community and likes of Stonewall considers saying transwomen are not women, that women don’t have penises, that women and girls should have certain single sex female spaces, services and sports - that all these comments online are literally abusive and transphobic leading to the deaths and abuse of trans people. The fact is that folk, especially women are being banned from twitter and Facebook for making these statements - then yes, i want the Scottish Government to be very careful about it’s accusations and wording on this because they are actually throwing this label of “transphobia and hatred” at the majority of the population.

Just as for the other flyers for the campaign (discussing homophobia or racism), the transphobia flyer is basically saying 'don't commit hate crime'.

It’s aimed squarely at women because it’s in the context of the Scottish govt consultation being released. No way this consultation can have any credibility when the govt refers to people who responded in good faith to a consultation like that.

It’s like the UK govt Brexit document being headed “Up Yours, Remoaners”. But that would never happen because the govt has a responsibility not to traduce the view of voters with whom they disagree. Women, however. They can fuck off.