To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?

[Badmoonsarising]

i’d like them to clarify exactly what their definition of “transphobic” is because it seems to have become a slur these days often aimed at anyone but mostly women who are critical of or question in any way the recent upsurge of identity politics. I just feel they’re doing a knee jerk, ignorant, unnecessary huge fuck you to women.

Fiona Robertson doesn't make any sense in those tweets. She says the documentary fails to interview trans kids. Weren't all those transmen, trans kids? I thought that was the point. The social contagion of YouTube etc.

And it took 12 years and cost the rape refuge hundreds of thousands of dollars. And it's still ongoing, or for anyone who supports VRR.

And then we have the new mission against beauticians.

Weren't all those transmen, trans kids? I thought that was the point. The social contagion of YouTube etc.

That's how I understood it, Datun.

And then we have the new mission against beauticians.

By a person who was screenshotted talking about helping 10-year-olds with their tampons. But has, nonetheless, managed to get WordPress to censor outraged women talking about that, as 'transphobic'.

Yeah, I was confused by that remark about trans kids too, Datun.

Anyway. Doesn’t look like I’m going to get a direct reply from Verbeena.

I will take that as an acknowledgment that “transwomen” are, in fact, male people. So we are, in fact, talking about male people here.

Perhaps this has gone some way to showing AdamNichol upthread why the vocabulary we use here does matter so much.

If someone is claiming that a refuge is a women only service, but it turns out some of those “women” could be people who were recognised as male at birth and socialised accordingly, with all the male privilege that includes; people who as adults are still clearly, recognisably male, whether clothed or unclothed; people who still have the ability to impregnate those of the female sex and almost certainly to overpower those of the female sex should they wish to; people who feel entitled to have their needs met ahead of others because society has always taught them that as males that is their due - then yes, the meaning of words does matter.

I wouldn’t want to be in a “women only” refuge or attend a “women only” survivors’ support group with males who identity as women. I think women should have the right to draw that boundary in their lives, and be supported by all governments in doing so.

You can take it as you like, talk. You're right, you're not going to get an answer as it has been done to death and nobody actually wants to listen.
Read the multiple identikit threads if you like. Likes of upthread have absolutely no intention of listening to anyone else.

I think what you really mean is you're not going to give me an answer because you haven’t got one. Because you can’t actually deny that “transwomen” are male, however much you’d like to.
I don’t know why you’re so frightened of reality but reality persists, whether you acknowledge it or not.

I wouldn’t want to be in a “women only” refuge or attend a “women only” survivors’ support group with males who identity as women. I think women should have the right to draw that boundary in their lives, and be supported by all governments in doing so.

And on the day when a doctor says on national radio that the only reason women can't beat men in sport is because they have a psychological cap on their performance, the Asian women's handball team wins the final, because they field men, and a transactivist who was shown up on national television, masked, screaming at and bullying women, has now written a long, self obsessed article demanding men have access to female shelters.

That's just one day.

Nah, talking. Just search the multiple threads on here to see for yourself if you like.
If you don't want to though, here's a short cut as to what these threads always descend into (already started with the beginning of define, define....)

• define a woman!
• No, woman, you're just your biology. Nothing else.

then

"let's go, girls!"

And then we have the new mission against beauticians.

Yes indeed. Quite similar in that VRR was quite likely to have been selected as a female only space.

Yes, that Shania Twain title is basically the sum total of the reasoned argument for MTFs to be included in women's spaces against our will.

Good pick!

Yes indeed. Quite similar in that VRR was quite likely to have been selected as a female only space.

The beauticians who are targeted are self-employed women, working out of their own homes, I believe. Not part of a salon. The lawsuits have the backing of the Vancouver human rights tribunal.

Nah, talking. Just search the multiple threads on here to see for yourself if you like.

I wouldn't worry about chasing an answer, Talking. You'll just get tangled up in more loopy loops.

Yes you're right. These human rights tribunals are being weaponised against women. See the other thread about Beth Rep in Australia.

You could wait for eternity and you won't get any sort of logical coherent answer for what a woman is, what a "trans woman" is and what self ID actually means.

You're right, empress. As you say, twisty loopy loops.

But totes opposed to self ID, oh no we don't want that!

That's correct too, as if you don't admit you're nothing but your biology, you haven't answered right and have to define again until you submit.
I am woman, only ever my biology. There you go, right answer to keep you happy.

I wouldn’t want to be in a “women only” refuge or attend a “women only” survivors’ support group with males who identity as women.

Me neither. And when service users are asked, that has been their preference. Women's rights and feelings are important although you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise.

There's absolutely no point taking on straw men when people don't grasp why their argument is so poor.

Same goes for people who have admitted they have a problem with all transwomen and then go round in circles with YY and absolutely ansers and only listen to people they agree with.
I am only my biology, other threads have told me and others so. Not something I'm plucking out of thin air.
There you go. I'm only my biology.I'll keep repeating it until it sinks in better for me.

Straw men aren't good company.

YY.

Oh Verbeena countless posters have spent countless hours explaining this to you.

Women are biologically female.

We can be other things. We can be nice, clever, or rocket scientists. But that doesnt make one a woman.
Only being an adult female makes one a woman.

Do not blame the women on here for your inability to grasp such a simple concept.

YY

This.

YY

Lol, I really hope the point is whooshing over your head on purpose, you're intentionally or unintentionally funny.