To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?

[Badmoonsarising]

i’d like them to clarify exactly what their definition of “transphobic” is because it seems to have become a slur these days often aimed at anyone but mostly women who are critical of or question in any way the recent upsurge of identity politics. I just feel they’re doing a knee jerk, ignorant, unnecessary huge fuck you to women.

I am Scottish you muppet. And yes i think the definition of woman is important especially when you have a government happy to lock up violent males (torturers and murderers) with women in our prisons - because they identify as women - and that’s before we see the effects of self id.

How's Elaina supposed to know you're Scottish? (Have only your word for that by the way.)
No need to be so bloody rude for someone who has merely expressed an opinion different to your own.

As an outsider, new to this debate Adam it would be far more productive if you read/listened rather than pronouncing!

I was polite, I tried to explain, I have signposted some more information for you.

When Verbeena mocks Same, but hang around for long enough and you'll realise that lots of posters think trans are out to take over women you have to wonder why they are doing so. Mainly as TRAs (that is trans activists NOT trans individuals, which is an important distinction if you want to understand the debate) ARE doing just that!

Stonewall want to eradicate 'sex' as a protected characteristic, replacing it with 'gender'. At the same time 'gender' is being changed to mean 'sex'. So now when you say that a service like a rape crisis centre, is for women only, staffed by women used by women, what you are saying is that the centre is for any human being who wants to use it, work in it. As with a Canadian centre, this means that any man/transwoman can demand access regardless of what the women already using it think. That is not hypothesis or scaremongering, it is happening now.

In the UK transwomen / men who are convicted of rape are being allowed to move into women's prisons, because they are women! No woman can protest as that would be being transphobic and as such would be a nasty thing, to be ignored.

That is why Karen White, rapist, man, was allowed to sexually assault a number of women in prison.

When the rights/feelings of men who want to be seen as women are given more credence than the rights/feelings of women it is impossible to see how Verbeena can make the above statement with a straight face.

And might explain a bit why when a government chooses to have such a banner across its communications some women feel as though they are being further attacked, erased, ignored!

Wonder why they are doing so? maybe because not everyone thinks the same as you? For goodness sake. Not everything has a conspiracy theory or an ulterior motive.

I'm a muppet that managed to get an answer to a question you were avoiding though

Same, but hang around for long enough and you'll realise that lots of posters think trans are out to take over women - kind of like the "coming over here, taking our jobs" argument some have but in this case "coming into womenhood, taking over women".... hmm

Aah, the ‘refugee’ analogy. Hmmm.

Rather than refugees fleeing war torn lands the situation is more similar to Russia invading Syria and claiming it was theirs all along.

I took this as a big "up yours, women" from the side of the Scottish government. They may not have meant it like that but this is how it comes across to me. I'm not Scottish (not even British), but I live in Scotland and have since 2002.
The timing with the GRA consultation results, Fiona Robertson's tweets at the same time, the way how the term transphobes has become to mean "anybody who doesn't enthusiastically repeat the mantra TWAW", their attempt of establishing guidelines at Scottish schools that would exclude parents from any decision regarding trans issue of their children, their unquestioning love for anything they consider progressive, it all makes me think that this is anti (gender critical) women.
They may really not have meant it like that but if they didn't realize that a sizable portion of the electorate would see it that way than they really don't understand people.

Absolutely this. I support self identification and I support women’s rights. It hurts to be told that I must be standing up for self identification because I hate women and want to cause them pain or harm. It’s simply the case that I have a different view of self id than many do on here.

I don’t for a second imagine that those who argue against self id are doing so because they hate trans people. I get that they have genuine concerns - on balance I simply don’t share those concerns. Just as I support a woman’s right to choose and this, for me, isn’t an attack on unborn babies.

Was trying to quote VerbenaBeeks’ post at 0750 there. Not sure why that didn’t work.

I support self identification and I support women’s rights.

But how will you support women's rights when woman has no meaningful definition?

But how will you support women's rights when woman has no meaningful definition?

That's the key question, Jellyfrizz. And none of the trans advocates can answer it.

If a woman is anyone who says they're a woman the word becomes meaningless.

Igneococcus

Your thoughts on this are exactly what i feel and much better explained. Thank you

Any kind of discrimination is wrong.

If you're in favour of discrimination, move to England. They're in favour of a much weaker economy / higher taxes AND lower spending, all in the name of eliminating the freedom of movement. Because, hey, why believe a society can be enriched by diversity and difference?

Hardly diversity or difference if everyone can be everything. That's more a case of homogenisation!

Just like gender based stereotypes, we will all present as either Barbie or Action Man and we will all claim to be non binary, cishetbilesgaytrans individuals!

Somehow we have gone form Gender Bending 80s, to Manbags and Guyliner to a weird soup of gender stereotype based contradictions! All in the name of, erm, progress ?

Sod that. I'll take the 80s when, as a young person, you wore whatever the hell you fancied and fancied whoever the hell looked and smelled good!

Point out the bit of this discription you think you ought to be able to do in order to protect women. Go on.

Depends what you count as "spreading hate" and who is deciding it, really, don't you think?

Because it could be saying that males are male.

I simply don’t share those concerns.

You simply don't think women have a right to privacy and dignity? Lovely.

You simply don't think women have a right to privacy and dignity? Lovely

the poster just has a different view to you. That is still allowed, you know.

Yes I expressed my own view on it. That's allowed too.

Entitled to your own view of course, it's just the patronising little "lovely" at the end.

Posted too soon. Disagree by all means but dismissive and patronising to someone who is entitled to their view? Yeah, whatever

I expressed my own view on the poster's morally superior tone. I don't care what you think. As is probably clear. If they don't give a fuck about women's rights, I think they, and you, should own it.

Cheers for the biscuit.

As is probably clear. If they don't give a fuck about women's rights, I think they, and you, should own it

People disagreeing with you are women, and do care about women's rights.
I don't agree with free for all self ID, but I'm not incredibly blinkered enough to think that anyone who doesn't have a problem with transwomen and accepts them as women automatically means they "don't give a fuck about women's rights."

I'm not incredibly blinkered enough to think that anyone who doesn't have a problem with transwomen and accepts them as women automatically means they "don't give a fuck about women's rights."

I guess I'm just tired of people not giving a fuck about women's rights.