Recommend me a book!

[RibenaBerry]

Right, reading these boards recently has given me a bit of a kick up the arse on my feminist principles. I've done a bit of 'light' reading in the area (think The Beauty Myth as a teenager) but think I need something a bit more serious without being so weighty I never pick it up. I'd rather have something published in, say, the last 15 years than any of the 'classics'.

Any ideas?

Lepapa, nobody is saying that men cannot participate in general life in things that are culturally female. There are simply a few area that feminists want to keep for biological females only. There are huge numbers of other female events and cultural activities where trans people are quite welcome. Trans people are welcome at many feminist events as well - you don't have to be female to be a feminist.

You persistently seem unable to differentiate between what constitutes material reality and what constitutes a social construct and how those two elements interact, which strikes me as odd when you have tried to frame some of your arguments in evolutionary and biocultural terms.

I certainly would not consider it extreme if a white person tried to get access to services that were ringfenced for ethnic minorities and was turned down or excluded from those services. People who have dual or multiple heritages (what you term 'biracial') constitute ethnic minorities in their own right anyway - there isn't some binary of black and white.

dittony
[i dont think.............]
well at least we finnally agree on one thing then-nope you cant change men into women-
transwomen are women not men!

[and even if i did hate men why do you care]
indeed-why should i care!
i sit here behind my comp-you sit there behind youres-we both faceless-and actually-
i could just tell you to f off-cos these are just words and a argument-and anyone can just say these things-in fact-we could spend time winding each other up-and keep fuckin each other off!
its ok tho-cos this aint gonna happen cos we will both stay to the death-cos we both arguin but we both wont admit our hurt and anger instead-i look forward to another defensive post from you tomm-its ok-keep them coming-ill take it and keep coming back to you!
dittony-im not being aggressive-im saying this in kindness-you dont know my story-but you just assume anyway-i dont hate no more!
btw-my names sparky!

dittany sporky - thanks for the clarification as to your name. I shall endeavour to use this new name, at your request.

"You get back what you give"

Oh dear dittany sporky, your karma is looking very bleak.

Playing the victim again dittany sporky? Doesn't suit your persona and is laughable.

Full marks for your skills in projection btw.

dittany-sorry for the wrong spelling-
this wasnt intensuel-but this wasnt before-
but for some reason-altho you spelt my name wrong before and i correced you -you are now being aggressive to me!
actually-ive tried my best with you-and actualy-i have a lot love towards people-
no matter how life as fucked me up-i see past this-and love others back-pity you dont!
it gives me great pleasure to say-no mater what life has done to me-im not as fucked uop as you!
by now-you will be writin a post to everyone sayin-this is critism to women-and hate-
are you autistic?or a schtzo?
no dont admit it-just keep putting youre mad posts up-we understand[we even pat you on the head]
anyone that says anything against you is aggresive innit!-
you ignored what i said about the spate of women murdering theyre children-why?
is this is cos you wont admit youve fucked up?
in youre hate towards men-you made women against them-and now they suffer-but you wont admit you have fucked up-
thanks to you-women feel that they have to stand in all corners-even if they cant manage it-and if they cant manage it-thetve got you * on theyre backs!
tthis stress is causing them to fuck up!
but this is ok-let women fuck up and kill theyre children-we ll hide itand not say anything about it!
i can see why the womens movement started-
but its fucked up badly!
will you stand up and say sorry to all them murdered children?i think not-
i believe in true feminism-not youre hate!
look forward to some hate tomm-thats ok-i will fight youre hate-im a true feminist[you wont understand this]

Sparky where has all that bile come from??
None of that applies to Dittany.
Women killing their children because of feminism? Ridiculous.

Where does all that hatred, contempt and projection in your posts come from dittany sporky?

dittany, Hearbreak, page 81, the past para

eh? Heartbreak, the last para

FFS I will be so glad when this thread is full!

I just can't believe what has happened here.

We are a recently formed section of MN with many women learning about Femanism (like me).

Someone starts a thread requesting book ideas - and then because something is said that trans people (I am sorry I genuinely do not know the terminology and do not have the time or patience to read every post) object to be suddenly have loads of people registering to post on this issue?

Do you know what. I have never had much cause to think about trans -gender what ever issues - but when I do my thoughts will be coloured by the disrespectful and angry way people have invaded this thread.

MN regulars - I hope this thread ends here. If other threads are de-railed then I think we need to start a separate one to reply to these new posters. (Just my opinion obviously). I am interested in women's rights (women like me who were born XX). I will not apologise for this. Maybe in the future I will see some calm, reasonable argument which gets me involved in fighting for trans rights - but not at the moment.

If you address replies to me they will not be answered or viewed (I am hiding the thread now).

wtf has autism got to do with anything......sheshh can't wait for this thread to reach 1000....

for the third time of asking

Feminists are going to have a much better case if we draw a clear line on sex, if we teach that males cannot, and should not, be considered females by law; that radical feminists draw the line right there."

can you elaborate on this please

Dittony
i knew exactly what you was going to come back with!
youre posts are predictable Dittony!
youre ideas are so "set in stone"-
and youre words sound like a mantra!
are you part of a wierd feminist cult Dittony?

so now sparky you are just being insulting by deliberately spelling Dittany's name wrong (and mine)....
(only 4 posts to go ....yeah!)

actually-i didnt realise i had-
but yes-youre right-i have!
sorry-Dittany!

where have i spelt youre name wrong Blackduck?
if i have-i appologise also!