Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #64

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TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Jennifer's distress at being told to reflect was no less real than a paedophile's at overhearing himself being misgendered. So I don't understand why one is dismissed and the other indulged.

From TT:

of the meeting. She had a call. I needed support and had never been in trouble before in 12 or 15 yrs. I was having panic attacks and my kids were worried to leave me on my own.
NC How long did mtg last?
JM Just a few mins longer. They wld look at policies and CoC and get back

NC No further Qs
DH I have a few Qs for you. Picking up on this mtg which led to this letter on 13 Oct 2025?
JM I believe that's the correct date
DH Under Dear Bethany, it gives that date
JM Yes
DH I think u contacted the RCN in early June 2024..
JM Yes, by email

I'm surprised you can't understand why it can be traumatic to be told not to give patients the best care possible. Respecting this man's pronouns would have meant substandard care due to his sex being more important than his gender. Being punished for not providing substandard care would distress any decent caring person.

And only one of them was a member of RCN who could reasonably expect their distress to be treated with compassion.

Because one is a deeply debilitating recognised medical condition and the other is a person who is being told that she should reflect on her work practice - which as a nurse requires her to be respectful of a patients' identity and health needs?

I disagree that respecting a patients' pronouns and gender identity leads to poorer health care. Quite the opposite is true.

In any case, we clearly aren't going to agree, so will leave this point there and move on to listening to the next.

Because one is inconvenient to tras monomania and shows them up to be massive hypocrites.

In order to cater to his health needs, she needed to correctly sex him. She did not do this it his face. He racially abused her.

You're being silly now.

From TT:

DH Go to p1215: an email, or a log contact. Your 1st contact w RCN was 5 June and an email? Is that correct? Looks like u emailed..in fact forgive me. Go to p1221: it's an email from u on 29 May 2024
JM Yes
DH Yes, it's a log of calls and they kept saying someone wld get back

JM The incident was on 24 May
DH They're asking for some details on these pages?
JM Yes. I beleive I sent my statement before that. I was v shaken and needed urgent help. I spoke to many ppl anf they kept saying they'd phone back. I was v traumatised and they'd moved me to

Away with that bollocks. It’s giving me the dry boak.

if you were paying attention you would know that Jennifer wasn’t addressing the paedophile but was in fact talking to a doctor about the guy. It was in urology so biology was fairly relevant.

It is entirely unreasonable to expect the whole of society to change the way we think and talk about reality just because a few folks get upset by reality.

Waitwhat? We forcibly abandoned the idea of it being a medical condition about 15 years ago; it’s simply “who people are”.

Get with the programme, for goodness sake.

Is this what is referred to as moral injury? Being prevented from providing the best care possible by ridiculous rules?

From TT:

JM to another dept. I wanted to go to the office in LOndon, where I live.
DH U didnt have a f2f but u had phone calls?
JM I didnt fully discuss the issues and was being transferred from 1 person to another

DH On p1215: u had a call with an office on June 5th leading to an appt to speak to an officer on the 7th June
JM I dont remember much and was just told someone wld feed back to me. It was a v horrible experience for me. I was expecting to be told to come to the office

I am getting really annoyed by DH's patronising tone now.

I suppose getting a genderist recognising that gender dysphoria doesn't prevent the sufferer from being a dangerous, violent pervert is something.

I'm fairly sure that wasn't the tone he used with Norm last week.

Having a genderist call it a medical condition is quite something too. We might be making some progress.

And dysphoria is not requirement either apparently. I think we have a closet transphobe walking amongst us.

From TT:

JM It was back to back phone calls only. My friends referred me to the Darlington nurses and CC as RCN werent responding to me. I was really worried I'd lose my career and was confused and crying and v shaken.
DH U did speak to an RCN officer though, by the 7th Aug and

discussed your case?
JM Where is that recorded?
DH Go to p? A 2 page letter from RCN officer saying thanks for yr docs and agreed steps to support you.
JM At this point as I wasnt able to meet in office I sent in my statement of what they needed from me

it wasn't a transperson, it was a male pedophile from a male prison who racially abused a nurse who believed in biological reality.
You just carry on defending the pedophile though.

On the plus side our contributor has genuinely reminded me I have to go and plant up some rhubarb.

I'll have to catch up later. Thanks to the c&ps.

Funny how Sandie's alleged racism is a huge deal, yet this male paedophile's isn't.

Grrr

Going right off DH.

From TT:

DH Para 3 discussed options available to u and some discussion about employment issues
JM The email convos were to write a statement, the CoC and advice re a grievance possibility.
DH U dont remember about urgent legal opinion?

JM I remember they'd look into a legal rep and get someone to come into the office
DH There's ref to an urgent legal opinion at the top of the page. U knew by 7 Aug at the latest that RCN referring for an urgent legal opinion
JM I wasnt confident in the rep and getting legal

Gender dysphoria is absolutely a medical condition. That's not particularly controversial. Not all trans people have gender dysphoria, and therefore, not all would necessarily be distressed by misgendering.