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Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #64

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nauticant · 27/09/2026 20:51

TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

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Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 10:49

fanOfBen · 28/09/2026 10:48

Nick says the wifi at the tribunal (and, presumably, more generally, but he doesn't seem to know yet) has blocked his site GenderBlog.net !

Bloody hell.

fanOfBen · 28/09/2026 10:50

We saw the court briefly, now the camera's been switched off again!

Mmmnotsure · 28/09/2026 10:51

FarriersGirl · 28/09/2026 10:38

Well at least I've managed to wash the kitchen floor, my border collie managed a set of very dirty paw prints across it after our walk earlier.

What is washing the kitchen floor after the dog comes in, please?

Asking for a friend.

MarieDeGournay · 28/09/2026 10:52

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 10:45

You want a Tea Cake?

Are you sure?

Maybe you'd like a slice of Victoria sponge instead?

What?

You really really want a Tea Cake?

<sobs>

Fine!

Take one!

One I said!

I want a scone please, and an argument about how to pronounce it.
And then an argument about how to prep it for eating.
It'll make up for the lack of courtroom action😁

SomewhatGlad · 28/09/2026 10:52

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 10:49

They are from the Bluestocking kitchen so ALL OF THEM.

I didn't realise it worked for carry-oot.

How am I to resist filling my bags whenever I visit?

YourWatermelonship · 28/09/2026 10:53

fanOfBen · 28/09/2026 10:48

Nick says the wifi at the tribunal (and, presumably, more generally, but he doesn't seem to know yet) has blocked his site GenderBlog.net !

Surely an involuntary mistake, an oversight.......

janeszebra · 28/09/2026 10:53

No sound grr!

fanOfBen · 28/09/2026 10:54

janeszebra · 28/09/2026 10:53

No sound grr!

do you have picture? I don't!

MarieDeGournay · 28/09/2026 10:54

SomewhatGlad · 28/09/2026 10:46

I can play kazoo?

I dunno, give us a few bars and we'll decide...😁

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 10:54

Of course it starts when I went to the loo!

NebulousSupportPostcard · 28/09/2026 10:54

Completely forgot about the case this morning and am feeling very lucky that I didn't miss the start. (Apologies to all who have been WFTCHTJ for hours!)

janeszebra · 28/09/2026 10:54

Now I have sound and picture whoop whoop

fanOfBen · 28/09/2026 10:54

From TT:

We're in and JM is on the stand.

J Good morning.
[JM sworn in]
J Please speak up when u give evidence
NC Good am. You're a practicing nurse and racially abused by a paedophile for using M pronouns. Why did u use them?
JM He was admitted under urology and his records said M

NebulousSupportPostcard · 28/09/2026 10:55

Naomi making up for lost time. Magnificent start!

SomewhatGlad · 28/09/2026 10:55

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 10:54

Of course it starts when I went to the loo!

Thank you for being the catalyst for change...

DauntlessDamson · 28/09/2026 10:56

MarieDeGournay · 28/09/2026 10:52

I want a scone please, and an argument about how to pronounce it.
And then an argument about how to prep it for eating.
It'll make up for the lack of courtroom action😁

Rhymes with gone (as pronounced by Dame Mary Berry) and jam first, then cream.

I'm off now, before the pile-on.......🏃.

WearyAuldWumman · 28/09/2026 10:56

Cholm · 28/09/2026 10:31

Nice Pair
(Lalique salts that is)

Nicola?

SomewhatGlad · 28/09/2026 10:56

NebulousSupportPostcard · 28/09/2026 10:55

Naomi making up for lost time. Magnificent start!

You must have been in before me. I am hearing her speak for the first time as I type.

Cailleach1 · 28/09/2026 10:56

@MarieDeGournay ; Of course, there would be no argument about stone, or gone, sounds if you simply called them biscuits like the Americans.

It would another argument, which I don’t think people calling scones ‘biscuits’ have a leg to stand on. So they call biscuits (real ones) cookies (rather à la Dutch), and scones ‘biscuits’. It’s just all wrong. Don’t even start on purse for handbag, or ‘Fanny pack’.

Appalonia · 28/09/2026 10:56

Wow this is a star witness!

NebulousSupportPostcard · 28/09/2026 10:58

SomewhatGlad · 28/09/2026 10:56

You must have been in before me. I am hearing her speak for the first time as I type.

I read TT in post above mine. Just in myself! Was worried I was locked out for being late.

fanOfBen · 28/09/2026 10:58

From TT:

JM He was very abusive to me and made a complaint against me [she was suspended] I had no idea about his pronouns. He had a F name on board. When talking to the urology dr, he was 6 foot tall and from a M prison. I am Christian and a nurse. His records showed a man

JM He overheard me when I was in a corridor discussing his discharge plan
NC U asked the RCN for help
JM I asked for the RCN straight away although I was told to make a record overnight. I contacted the R in the am with my details. It took time to get a response and I was

MarieDeGournay · 28/09/2026 10:58

FarriersGirl · 28/09/2026 10:38

Well at least I've managed to wash the kitchen floor, my border collie managed a set of very dirty paw prints across it after our walk earlier.

Spooky - I've just washed my kitchen floor too, tradesmen in boots being the border-collie-equivalent in my case.
I'm sure the rest of you are looking at your kitchen floors and feeling that you have failed miserably as housewives, while Farriers and I smile twinklingly in the background in our polka-dot dresses and immaculate frilly aprons....😂
edited to say oooops it's started, enough with the levity, Marie!

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 11:01

MarieDeGournay · 28/09/2026 10:58

Spooky - I've just washed my kitchen floor too, tradesmen in boots being the border-collie-equivalent in my case.
I'm sure the rest of you are looking at your kitchen floors and feeling that you have failed miserably as housewives, while Farriers and I smile twinklingly in the background in our polka-dot dresses and immaculate frilly aprons....😂
edited to say oooops it's started, enough with the levity, Marie!

Edited

I stood in the bowl of cat milk, when I went to wash the dishes, and merely badly dabbed at it with a piece of kitchen roll.

My head is hanging in shame.

fanOfBen · 28/09/2026 11:01

From TT:

JM traumatised for being immed into Disciplinary proceedings but I didnt get a response for several days, or even weeks. I ended up writing them a statement about what had happened.
NC Page 975 - an email saying I've now received the advice. What is this?

JM When I received this I was v confused ansd disappointed. Instead of discussing I was told to refelct on my practice. I hadnt had a f2f with RCN by then.
NC What did this mean?
JM They didnt see as serious and wanted me to learn. They didnt consider my trauma or threat of

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