Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #64

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TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

The thing I would changed is calling facilities gender-neutral. It is nonsensical as there’s no such designs in regulations or legislation. People need to start calling them the proper terms which are unisex or universal. Sometimes people say mixed sex as the designs are not up to regulated standards so shouldn’t be called unisex or universal..

What does gender-neutral mean? A single sex toilet or changing room could be gender neutral and still be single sex.

We need to stop using gender-neutral.

Frigid. Man's ultimate insult against women -- the insecure complaint that they may not be aroused by him

Thanks for stopping by, we think it's a man thing too, and for men to sort out, not women, so men should get on it, and stop invading women's spaces. 👍

We are to be defined by our sexual attractiveness, responsiveness and usefulness to men, don't you know.

And on that basis, we're meant to agree with their self-serving drivel, roll over and let them shaft us royally like absolute mugs, while handing over our rights with a smile.

Yeah, right.

Please please have that conversation on another thread. This thread is for discussing Sandie's tribunals.

You obviously didn’t get the memo for Be Kind 2.0 tactics.

Maybe if you've never been able to give a woman pleasure it's a you problem and you should "educate yourself". Just sayin'.

My thanks to nauticant and the copy-pasters, and everyone else for the commentary.

I still have a very basic question in my mind about all these cases - who is the idiot person who does the 'reporting' and who is the even bigger idiot who makes the decision to accept the report as gospel? Rather than say 'don't be stupid, just go away and have a word with yourself '? Or even stop to think.

Especially in the case of JM, what with the paedophile's actual notes being written in the masculine and being in urology and all that. NW writes:

The story [of the overheard convo between JM and the Dr] is written into a letter which can be found in the Peggie v RCN trial bundle. This was sent to her by an unnamed RCN case officer who reported her account of the incident after a phone conference on 7 August 2024.

Who is this person? What was he thinking? And who took it seriously?

The clerk is letting people into the rooms.

From TT:

We're expecting this morning's session to start with barrister Naomi Cunningham's continued cross-examination of witness Stuart Fraser, Sandie Peggie's RCN union representative.

Thanks @fanOfBen. I can take over at 11am for a while at least.

@SomewhatGlad sorry to hear about your vertigo. That sounds grim! I hope you're feeling better.

Naomi was on X 2 hours ago and sounded on fine form. I hope she got some sleep.

NC:

Wow. “We have to sit down and listen to both sides” now, is it? After all those years of howling down women as bigots when they calmly and politely raised reasonable concerns about self-ID policies.
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Replying to @ForWomenScot and @akuareindorf
That kind of reaction is exactly why no dialogue happened in 2018. We have to sit down and listen to both sides and find different solutions and I’m afraid one side can’t have it all. That includes your side. Trans people exist and have rights to transition in law and change

NC:
After the cancelling, the no-platforming, the attacks on livelihoods, the rape and death threats.

NC:
And after a tiny brave grassroots organisation went to the Supreme Court and won. Dialogue, now finally?

NC:
With a side of prissy little tone-policing lectures about how it was all our fault we weren’t listened to before.

https://x.com/LoudBonnet/status/2104821897842319871

slowly it seems! I'm still not in.

You've sunk to to depths of foolishness and desperation with that post Lacksie, as much as I disagree with you and your posts I thought you were better than to resort to that level of silliness.

Sex based rights as confirmed by the Supreme Court protect women who identify as men and as again pointed out in their judgement protect the rights of homosexuals. Quite why someone who purports to be decent would want to rip those rights away never fails to surprise me.

And we are off and running

And we're back!

argh the clerk has let people in without turning off mikes again.

So, true to form, gaslighting and re-writing history. Been a lot of that going on in this tribunal, you didn’t say the magic words.

NC is sounding much better today.

I don't recall

for those playing bingo

Reminding me of last February.

My room doesn't have the observers' mics off. Mine's on, even though I joined in the usual way.
I could hear someone else.

What's the best way to tell the clerk?

Edit: someone less frit of rule breaking than I am has put it in the chat.

yeah and a bit of "rights hoarding dinosaurs" thrown in the mix too, on my reading.

"I’m afraid one side can’t have it all. That includes your side"

Budge up wims, you really need to share your toys toilets with the men, don't be so greedy.

FFS Stuart!

In my room someone has written this in the chat, though I am too much of a rule-follower myself, YMMV!

I just hummed a wee tune to check my microphone was off - apologies if anyone heard it - can't see the microphone off signal on the screen but I did select 'observer'....