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Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #64

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nauticant · 27/09/2026 20:51

TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

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Mmmnotsure · 28/09/2026 15:30

CriticalCondition · 28/09/2026 15:26

He's played his best card. That was a halting and unexplained reference to 'Grainger' in the hope it might convince everyone he knows what he's talking about.

I almost wished NC had given him a bit more time to show that the only thing he actually knows is the word 'Grainger'.

Appalonia · 28/09/2026 15:31

Does he realise what a fool she's making of him, I wonder..?

FarriersGirl · 28/09/2026 15:31

From TT:

NC religion and non belief ..whoever wrote this hasn’t noted that non religious beliefs are also protected, it ignores philosophical beliefs
SF yes
NC there’s nowhere to go for GC beliefs. Philosophical beliefs protected in Northern Ireland it says
SF yes
NC seems the RCN isn’t keen on demonstrating or equipping you with the advice that SP needed.
SF I disagree but yes no reference in these documents to GC views.

Scout2016 · 28/09/2026 15:31

Another man who has gone into a tribunal representing the respondent and having done fuck all prep. I mean, he should already know it already but given he knew he was going to be asked it's just so insulting.

"Yeah, I knew there was a man in the women's but it's not on me to wonder why, or if they should be, or do bloody anything at all really. Even when vaguely pretending to have a case openabout it."

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:31

Appalonia · 28/09/2026 15:29

Who DID write this??

Wonder if it was a be kinder? Or a TRA?

KittyWilkinson · 28/09/2026 15:32

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:31

Wonder if it was a be kinder? Or a TRA?

We just don't know.

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:32

Appalonia · 28/09/2026 15:31

Does he realise what a fool she's making of him, I wonder..?

I think he's got an inkling. I'm not sure he realises how much though.

ickky · 28/09/2026 15:33

BINGO

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:34

ickky · 28/09/2026 15:33

BINGO

I reckon without the cold we would have got it five minutes ago.

YouCanCallMeMonster · 28/09/2026 15:34

Appalonia · 28/09/2026 15:31

Does he realise what a fool she's making of him, I wonder..?

I think he does.

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:34

Oh Stuart.
Poor poor Stuart.

janeszebra · 28/09/2026 15:35

His understanding was incorrect.

FarriersGirl · 28/09/2026 15:35

From TT:

NC SP told you the story and you recorded ‘discussed the potential this could be seen as discriminatory’. I put to you this was a TW in the CR.
SF could be seen as likening Dr U as a rapists
NC whether a man or a TW or compared to men in women’s prisons the discrimination you were thinking of was gender reassignment wasn’t it?

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:35

This is such an unfair fight.

ickky · 28/09/2026 15:35

Sitting on hands

chilling19 · 28/09/2026 15:35

And the trap closes.

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:36

.

Die Season 3 GIF by The Office
SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 28/09/2026 15:36

FarriersGirl · 28/09/2026 15:31

From TT:

NC religion and non belief ..whoever wrote this hasn’t noted that non religious beliefs are also protected, it ignores philosophical beliefs
SF yes
NC there’s nowhere to go for GC beliefs. Philosophical beliefs protected in Northern Ireland it says
SF yes
NC seems the RCN isn’t keen on demonstrating or equipping you with the advice that SP needed.
SF I disagree but yes no reference in these documents to GC views.

NC seems the RCN isn’t keen on demonstrating or equipping you with the advice that SP needed.

Has he been sent out to the crease by the RCN and found, on the first ball, that they have broken his bat?

Edit, grammar
(or possibly sent him out with a head of celery)

MarieDeGournay · 28/09/2026 15:36

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:34

I reckon without the cold we would have got it five minutes ago.

If the Bar had a handicapping system like horse-racing, Naomi would be required to be infected with the cold virus in advance of all cases😁

NebulousSupportPostcard · 28/09/2026 15:36

I am so mortified on his behalf 😂

FarriersGirl · 28/09/2026 15:37

From TT:

NC you understood she said what she said because of a TW and not if a woman who’s not trans.
SF yes
NC it didn’t occur to you SP might have suffered harassment because DR U was in the women’s changing room
SF my understanding was TW could use women’s facilities
NC possibility of victimisation?
SP ‘he said she said’ case no witnesses so I’m making an assumption

CriticalCondition · 28/09/2026 15:38

Oh Stuart, I'm not sure you realise what you've said.

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:39

NebulousSupportPostcard · 28/09/2026 15:36

I am so mortified on his behalf 😂

I'm ill, I've not worked for a long time, I need to lie down regularly, and take a ridiculous amount of mind bending drugs and I could do a better job than him.

Mmmnotsure · 28/09/2026 15:39

Appalonia · 28/09/2026 15:31

Does he realise what a fool she's making of him, I wonder..?

The path to the heffalump trap is laid with sweet little morsels that are easy to swallow.

MarieDeGournay · 28/09/2026 15:39

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 28/09/2026 15:36

NC seems the RCN isn’t keen on demonstrating or equipping you with the advice that SP needed.

Has he been sent out to the crease by the RCN and found, on the first ball, that they have broken his bat?

Edit, grammar
(or possibly sent him out with a head of celery)

Edited

I get your GH/MT reference, nice one!😄

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