Page 8 | How dim is Stella Creasey?

Sausagenbacon · 2026-09-07T13:56:39+00:00

Today she tweeted about how great the Milad ad Nabi march was in Walthamstow. Of course, it's segregated and the women get to march afterwards or celebrate in halls. According to Stella, the Garrick Club is problematic because it only allows men to join. But this is fine. I know that she is pandering to her constituency, but she really seems to have no awareness.

BackToLurk · 09/09/2026 13:32

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 11:59

Or unwilling because I refuse to get drawn into a false argument. To suggest Creasy is too dim to compute certain strands of an argument is , imo, utterly absurd.

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I suppose that begs the question “is it worse to be too dim to be unable to see the inherent hypocrisy of competing positions or to be bright enough to see the hypocrisy but hold them anyway because it’s politically expedient”?

KnottyAuty · 09/09/2026 13:40

theilltemperedmonster · 09/09/2026 10:43

Why does Stella Creasy respect these women's right to congregate separately from men, but also not respect women's right to congregate separately from men?

Because the first concerns freedom of association under Article 11/Schedule 16 (and is perhaps also covered by the religious exemptions that permit separate worship and male-only officiants).

Whilst the second concerns single-sex services under Schedule 3, WR1992 etc.

Also, how can the Equality Act protect the rights of women if it cannot clearly define sex?

I agree that it cannot, but Creasy is in the grip of a metaphysical belief about the meaning of sex which she thinks morally right to impose on the rest of us (it isn’t – see Article 9).

And finally, does she not realise that the EHRC interprets the law but does not make the law, and that if she wants the law changed she will need to put forward legislation?

Well maybe, or maybe she accepts FWS but thinks, like RMW, that transwomen should be a special exception (like small children, plumbers, cleaners, and emergency workers). I don't agree, but it's not totally incoherent either.

(There's a wider question of why TRAs don't lobby for a law change, resorting instead to stalling tactics, lawfare, creative reinterpretation of FWS, and rank insubordination. I asked a transwoman friend: it's because it would require them to debate and negotiate openly with people who disagree with them, and this would be like asking the Jews to negotiate with the Nazis. So, now you know.)

I don't think it's fair to characterise Creasy as stupid or evil. She's dealing gracefully with the torrent of shit being directed at her on X. And it's her job to engage with Muslim constituents, amongst others. To those sneering at the 'future engineers' comment, what are they doing to mitigate the harms to adherents of minority religions? The only way is through education, rigorous application of the law, setting a good example, and saying what we want to see. Encouraging a handful of Muslim women to see themselves as future engineers might be a drop in the bucket, but it's not nothing.

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I think it’s a terrible thing to encourage young Muslim women into male dominated professions of any kind (spending years doing it and racking debt) when their religion prevents them from being alone with males - therefore unable to do the job theyve trained for and thus a huge waste of time and money. It’s something I never considered until a post on mumsnet last year about a young graduate who effectively made herself redundant because her religious beliefs were impossible for her employer to accommodate. It’s indefensible to encourage these women into engineering without explaining to hat the job entails so they can decide if it actually will work for their beliefs

KnottyAuty · 09/09/2026 13:41

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 11:49

No, you were saying because she believes certain things that' blanket' makes her a dim.person. I was saying it doesnt. Everything then gets wrapped up in the criticism of idealogical dogma and conveniently dismissed. I may or may not agree with different ponts of view, but I certainly don't believe you can write off a person because of a particular atance on a particular thing. ' dimness' is a rather generalised, nebulous term .

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A nebulous dog whistle perhaps?

iwishitwouldstartraining · 09/09/2026 13:42

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 13:17

Well, in the case of Farage I would most definitely assert that he is too dim to compute anything.
Yes, I dont like the sound of what Creasy isxsaying there but that doesn't, to my reasoning anyway, suggest she is a moron.

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I am not calling her a moron.

I just wish her to explain her position.

As Farage and Creasy are politicians in a democracy, they have each put them themselves in positions where people are asked to assess their abilities and character.

If neither she (nor anyone else) can explain her political position on an issue that she claims is central to her politics, what am I supposed to think? If the problem is neither her ability nor her character, what is it?

(Perhaps... she is being blackmailed!!!)

KnottyAuty · 09/09/2026 13:50

ItsCoolForCats · 09/09/2026 12:13

JK Rowling on X:

I see that Stella Creasy is accusing me of leading a pitchfork mob against her, because I opined that she is less likeable and more hypocritical than the wild parakeet she mistook for an escaped pet.

For those who don’t know, Creasy is an elected politician and self-proclaimed ‘old-fashioned feminist’ who is ‘still fighting the patriarchy’. She’s more than once publicly defined herself against me (and my reaction was not to accuse her of leading a mob, even though I was probably averaging a dozen death threats a day at the point when the article below appeared.)

I thought it might be instructive for those of us who don’t share Creasy’s brand of ‘feminism’ to examine her campaigning record, so we can learn to do better.

Creasy wants women admitted to the male-only, exclusive, London-based private members Garrick Club, a change that would benefit rather privileged women like Creasy. Creasy is a mother who wants better accommodations for working mothers, a change that would benefit Creasy. Creasy takes selfies at a men-only Muslim march because that reminds everyone how non-racist she is, which benefits Creasy. Creasy asserts that ‘trans women are women’, which keeps her in good odour with her party’s most aggressive activists, and benefits Creasy.

However, keeping cross-dressing heterosexual men out of nurses’ changing rooms doesn’t benefit Creasy, because Creasy has never had to mop up other people’s piss, blood and vomit at work. Challenging the notion that a male basketball player becomes a girl if he says he is doesn’t benefit Creasy, who has no sporting ambitions. Speaking up against the patriarchy as practised by non-white men doesn’t benefit Creasy, who wants those selfie-opportunities. Criticising an ideological movement that persecutes, harasses and openly threatens women who don’t believe some women have penises wouldn't benefit Creasy, because she's already fully-signed up to self-id, where any man who says he's a woman must be taken at his word.

As the late Gloria Steinem said: ‘“Feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman. It's about making life more fair for women everywhere.’

Creasy the patriarchy-challenger is provably more than happy to cosy up to men and misogynist movements when it suits her public profile and career advancement, no matter the harms those men might be causing less privileged women. By Steinem’s definition, what Stella espouses is not feminism, but Creasyism, and I suggest the emblem for this brave new rights movement should be an indignant parakeet with severely ruffled feathers.

telegraph.co.uk/women/life/ste…

This is spot on by Rowling.
SC is supporting the rally because a huge proportion of Muslims in the local Labour Party on which she is entirely reliant on as the MP.
Until she became a mother she was entirely uninterested in mothers rights at work
As a mother of relatively young children she currently ignores anything related to teens or older children, as well as anything on SEN
Her work social media was dominated by posts about her children until someone reported her to social services about her political views
She did do a good job on Wonga but for many years has been casting around for a “campaign” with little success.
i used to have high hopes for her getting front bench as she was impressive when younger but seems to have lost her principles somewhat lately - esp on feminism
such a shame

AimsAndObjectives · 09/09/2026 13:56

ItsCoolForCats · 09/09/2026 12:13

JK Rowling on X:

I see that Stella Creasy is accusing me of leading a pitchfork mob against her, because I opined that she is less likeable and more hypocritical than the wild parakeet she mistook for an escaped pet.

For those who don’t know, Creasy is an elected politician and self-proclaimed ‘old-fashioned feminist’ who is ‘still fighting the patriarchy’. She’s more than once publicly defined herself against me (and my reaction was not to accuse her of leading a mob, even though I was probably averaging a dozen death threats a day at the point when the article below appeared.)

I thought it might be instructive for those of us who don’t share Creasy’s brand of ‘feminism’ to examine her campaigning record, so we can learn to do better.

Creasy wants women admitted to the male-only, exclusive, London-based private members Garrick Club, a change that would benefit rather privileged women like Creasy. Creasy is a mother who wants better accommodations for working mothers, a change that would benefit Creasy. Creasy takes selfies at a men-only Muslim march because that reminds everyone how non-racist she is, which benefits Creasy. Creasy asserts that ‘trans women are women’, which keeps her in good odour with her party’s most aggressive activists, and benefits Creasy.

However, keeping cross-dressing heterosexual men out of nurses’ changing rooms doesn’t benefit Creasy, because Creasy has never had to mop up other people’s piss, blood and vomit at work. Challenging the notion that a male basketball player becomes a girl if he says he is doesn’t benefit Creasy, who has no sporting ambitions. Speaking up against the patriarchy as practised by non-white men doesn’t benefit Creasy, who wants those selfie-opportunities. Criticising an ideological movement that persecutes, harasses and openly threatens women who don’t believe some women have penises wouldn't benefit Creasy, because she's already fully-signed up to self-id, where any man who says he's a woman must be taken at his word.

As the late Gloria Steinem said: ‘“Feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman. It's about making life more fair for women everywhere.’

Creasy the patriarchy-challenger is provably more than happy to cosy up to men and misogynist movements when it suits her public profile and career advancement, no matter the harms those men might be causing less privileged women. By Steinem’s definition, what Stella espouses is not feminism, but Creasyism, and I suggest the emblem for this brave new rights movement should be an indignant parakeet with severely ruffled feathers.

telegraph.co.uk/women/life/ste…

JKR nails it.

AimsAndObjectives · 09/09/2026 13:58

Interesting how the spelling mistake 'idealogical' has cropped up on this thread, and other FWR threads and transgender reddit🤔

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 14:15

BackToLurk · 09/09/2026 13:32

I suppose that begs the question “is it worse to be too dim to be unable to see the inherent hypocrisy of competing positions or to be bright enough to see the hypocrisy but hold them anyway because it’s politically expedient”?

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Why do those two go together. It's you conflating that, not her.

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 14:17

KnottyAuty · 09/09/2026 13:41

A nebulous dog whistle perhaps?

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I'm.trying to imagine what a nebulous dog whistle would look like

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 14:20

iwishitwouldstartraining · 09/09/2026 13:42

I am not calling her a moron.

I just wish her to explain her position.

As Farage and Creasy are politicians in a democracy, they have each put them themselves in positions where people are asked to assess their abilities and character.

If neither she (nor anyone else) can explain her political position on an issue that she claims is central to her politics, what am I supposed to think? If the problem is neither her ability nor her character, what is it?

(Perhaps... she is being blackmailed!!!)

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Yeah, fair enough......as for being blackmailed.....well, with the times we are living in, nothing would surprise me , frankly.

BackToLurk · 09/09/2026 14:22

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 14:15

Why do those two go together. It's you conflating that, not her.

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Why do "sexes separated on a religious march = fine" but "sexes separated in (for example) changing rooms = not fine" go together? That's your question is it? That you decided to ask out loud.

MyThreeWords · 09/09/2026 14:27

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 14:17

I'm.trying to imagine what a nebulous dog whistle would look like

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I suppose it would have to look appealing to the nebulous dogs it aims to attract.

Another question is what it would sound like. My guess is Ligeti's "Lux Aeterna"

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Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 14:33

BackToLurk · 09/09/2026 14:22

Why do "sexes separated on a religious march = fine" but "sexes separated in (for example) changing rooms = not fine" go together? That's your question is it? That you decided to ask out loud.

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I dont understand what you mean.

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 14:38

MyThreeWords · 09/09/2026 14:27

I suppose it would have to look appealing to the nebulous dogs it aims to attract.

Another question is what it would sound like. My guess is Ligeti's "Lux Aeterna"

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😂😂😂

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 14:39

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 14:38

😂😂😂

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I've just spat out my tea..That's actually very funny

BananaPeels · 09/09/2026 14:50

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/09/2026 09:54

Having one rule for muslims and another for everybody else smacks of patronising double standards. That Creasy, and others like her, are seemingly happy to view women's rights as being culturally relative rather than universal is surely quite a strange place for her to end up?

We all know what happens next and is already happening. In order to keep muslim women 'pure' and away from the corrupting influences of western culture single sex muslim schools are being set up; and some leisure centres, for example, have instigated 'muslim only' swimming sessions etc - so that muslim women can be free to swim without the presence of men. I imagine Creasy would be supportive of this - of permitting exemptions for some groups?

Perhaps Creasy thinks muslims are too 'unevolved' to appreciate and respect 'trans rights' or 'women's rights' and that we should be protective towards that sort of 'cultural ignorance and prejudice'. Are women's rights and protections not a universal standard to strive for - or are they really only culturally relative. What takes precedence?

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This is the eternal issue I have trouble with. I think people have the right to practise their religion (whatever it is) but if my office said ‘hey we are having an event for everyone, but the men get to go first and then ladies you go after’ it wouldn’t be allowed. ‘Oh well it’s their religion’ has become a line used often to break what are standard societal rules that we all live by.

Cheese55 · 09/09/2026 15:38

alcovecupboards · 07/09/2026 16:48

They can leave the religion...

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I think this is highly unlikely to be an option.

theilltemperedmonster · 09/09/2026 16:11

iwishitwouldstartraining · 09/09/2026 11:16

Because the first concerns freedom of association under Article 11/Schedule 16 (and is perhaps also covered by the religious exemptions that permit separate worship and male-only officiants).

However, I don't think she thinks the apocryphal lesbian's walking group should be allowed to to exclude men under Schedule 16. (But it would be great if she could confirm this either way).

Well maybe, or maybe she accepts FWS but thinks, like RMW, that transwomen should be a special exception (like small children, plumbers, cleaners, and emergency workers). I don't agree, but it's not totally incoherent either.

It would be coherent if (whether or not we agree) she could say that transwomen have x qualities and can be identified using x criteria, and that therefore, like small children/cleaners, for x reasons they are a special case. This would necessarily exclude many people who currently identify as transwomen. I don't think she has ever suggested this and again it would be great if she could clarify.

I commend her for engaging with muslim women in her constituency.

I just wish she would also engage with women in her constituency who want to protect sex based rights. I don't understand why this is such a stretch for her, particularly given that women's rights are supposed to be one of her priorities.

it's all very odd.

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Yes, it is very odd, very odd indeed. When I'm not feeling aggravated, I'm actually quite excited to be living through what seems to be a unique phenomenon – the spread of an ideology based on a rewriting of physical reality (unlike JKR, I think SC is a true believer rather than a cynic, but in a sense it doesn't matter).

Religions are based on a set of rules (usually with some rather obvious human motivations underlying them) with a promise of a supernatural payoff – which by its nature will never materialise in the real world.

Communism was based on a set of rules with a promise of a payoff in the form of the withering away of the state. Strictly speaking this could still happen, so the proposition 'communism doesn't work' is at least technically falsifiable.

But transgenderism is based on the single rule 'pretend to believe something about the natural world that isn't true, or be punished'. It is absolutely wild!

My personal ideology of choice is empiricism, the very thing that gave us the concept of falsifiability. You may not be astonished to learn that my transwoman friend thinks this is very narrow-minded of me.

KnottyAuty · 09/09/2026 16:33

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 14:17

I'm.trying to imagine what a nebulous dog whistle would look like

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It’s a Dr Upton quote. Ive no idea.

Neverstopwondering · 09/09/2026 16:40

Parakeet thing was icing on the cake as far as taking her seriously goes. Her own local Facebook and WhatsApp groups totally exploded. It was pretty amusing to read the screenshots.

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 09/09/2026 17:15

KnottyAuty · 09/09/2026 16:33

It’s a Dr Upton quote. Ive no idea.

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A nebulous dog whistle is now part of MN argot just like "cutted up pear" & LTB.

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/09/2026 09:19

Daygloboo · 09/09/2026 14:17

I'm.trying to imagine what a nebulous dog whistle would look like

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You cannot see it, you can only hear it if you have the appropriate radar for its sound.

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/09/2026 09:22

theilltemperedmonster · 09/09/2026 16:11

Yes, it is very odd, very odd indeed. When I'm not feeling aggravated, I'm actually quite excited to be living through what seems to be a unique phenomenon – the spread of an ideology based on a rewriting of physical reality (unlike JKR, I think SC is a true believer rather than a cynic, but in a sense it doesn't matter).

Religions are based on a set of rules (usually with some rather obvious human motivations underlying them) with a promise of a supernatural payoff – which by its nature will never materialise in the real world.

Communism was based on a set of rules with a promise of a payoff in the form of the withering away of the state. Strictly speaking this could still happen, so the proposition 'communism doesn't work' is at least technically falsifiable.

But transgenderism is based on the single rule 'pretend to believe something about the natural world that isn't true, or be punished'. It is absolutely wild!

My personal ideology of choice is empiricism, the very thing that gave us the concept of falsifiability. You may not be astonished to learn that my transwoman friend thinks this is very narrow-minded of me.

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I'd have said that communism is the total opposite of" the withering away of the state". Communism requires an elbaorate state mechanism and total control in order to run according to its plan.

theilltemperedmonster · 10/09/2026 10:10

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/09/2026 09:22

I'd have said that communism is the total opposite of" the withering away of the state". Communism requires an elbaorate state mechanism and total control in order to run according to its plan.

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It's a form of magical thinking associated with Communist theory:

According to this concept of the withering away of the state, eventually a communist society will no longer require coercion to induce individuals to behave in a way that benefits the entire society. Such a society would occur after a temporary period of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_state

Obviously, it's bunkum. But, because it relates to a possible future event, it still makes more sense than trans theory.

Withering away of the state - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_state

Daygloboo · 10/09/2026 11:24

Shortshriftandlethal · 10/09/2026 09:19

You cannot see it, you can only hear it if you have the appropriate radar for its sound.

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Someone put a youtube clip on here of what ot sounds like . It's very funny.