How dim is Stella Creasey?

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Today she tweeted about how great the Milad ad Nabi march was in Walthamstow.
Of course, it's segregated and the women get to march afterwards or celebrate in halls.
According to Stella, the Garrick Club is problematic because it only allows men to join. But this is fine.
I know that she is pandering to her constituency, but she really seems to have no awareness.

No. I do now recognise you though.

Answer the question.
Have those Muslim women in question, voluntarily segregated themselves? And if so, should they decide to no longer segregate themselves, would they be able to join the male event?

women covering their heads is a religious requirement that men do not have to comply with.

She’s highlighting a community event. Knowing how she operates, she’s no doubt highlighting in the way she has because she knows what response she’ll get. Very Stella.

I agree. I think we can also all see that any MP brave enough to come out and say this in certain constituencies would have no chance of getting elected. This is no doubt very much in SC's mind.

The Garrick Club is a special case because, in effect, it is an establishment networking hub for a range of professional types and the exclusion of women risked marginalising them in a range of ways. If it weren't for that I wouldn't mind it's single-sex status. I think that a wide range of voluntary associations need to be able to organise on a single-sex basis. Men need spaces away from women and women certainly need spaces away from men.

I know nothing about the details or impacts of sex segregation in the particular case of the march mentioned in the OP, so I'm not going to comment on that in particular. But in principle, I think you can object to some sex segregated contexts while tolerating or welcoming others.

Also, I think that people objecting to the sex segregated nature of religious events about which they know very little are on a par with people who suddenly discover an interest in animal welfare when they realise it can be a way to problematise Islam (even though most Muslims don't require non-stunned meat and even though there are very many appalling practices in the transport and slaughter of animals that are unrelated to faith and which are conveniently ignored)

It is incorrect to couch the argument around women all being 'fragile vulnerable flowers' who 'can't compete with men at anything'.
It is simply a biological fact that, at population level, males are bigger, stronger, and faster than females at population level. Males are also more violent and more criminal, at population level. This is not some kind of moral criticism of women (ie it does not make them 'flowers'). It is simply a product of ecology. In the same way as saying 'males can't give birth' or 'males tend to die younger' doesn't mean that men are somehow pathetic or morally wanting.
Added to patriarchy, these ecological differences between the sexes mean that sometimes, sex-based rights are needed to allow women to take an equal part in society.

See chess-related threads. It is batshit.

Islam does not require women to cover their heads. Certain Islamic cultures do. Certain Jewish cultures do. Certain Christian cultures do.

Sure, of course you do. The women in question have voluntarily segregated themselves - that much is clear. If they don't wish to partake in that belief system anymore then I'm not sure why they would take part? Let's look at it another way - if a transwoman decides to join an all-female event - would they be able to? Again - single sex spaces are a right for BOTH sexes.

Handy article outlining the barriers women face in relation to competitive chess. Even has a quote from everyone's favourite developmental biologist. Always happy to help someone who doesn't understand the arguments.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/29/womens-chess-sexism-misogyny

I’m pretty sure that all these ‘cultures’ would argue that they are following the requirements of their religion.

In the case of this event, if segregation isn’t for religious purposes they might have difficulty justifying it.

Oh my!

The Quran specifies different modesty requirements for men and women. You know that. You really can’t be trying to claim it’s nothing to do with Islam?

Debatable - whether positive action is necessary in specific circumstances.

Bat shit - positive action for a group that nobody can define.

If they don't wish to partake in that belief system anymore then I'm not sure why they would take part?

I'm. not suggesting that these particular women don't want to take part, but surely you can't be that naive about religion.

if a transwoman decides to join an all-female event - would they be able to? Again - single sex spaces are a right for BOTH sexes.

I think you need to read the posts explaining when sex segregation is legal. The default position is that it isn't.

But Stella Creasy has used her social media to do this to others as well, several times over...

I taught in a school where 60% of children were Muslim. As were most of my teaching assistants. They were strong women and they would absolutely insist if asked (this did come up in conversation occasionally over the twenty years I worked there) that it was their choice to abide by their religion. Most wore hijab, again they said, by choice. Two younger women didn't. One wore jeans and tops at work but changed into more traditional clothing at home. The other was probably the most glamorous and looks obsessed TA I ever had. She followed much of her religion, but not the dress.

Who am I, or any of you, to tell these women how to dress and to insist on sharing the men's space? It's incredibly arrogant of any non-muslim to think that they should, or that Stella Creasy should deny them their MP's presence at one of their festivals.

Stella Creasy is one of the reasons long time Labour voters are looking elsewhere. I cannot abide the woman.

She demonstrates suicidal empathy.

All.The.Time.

That is a good example of whatabouttery.

Oh no it's very clear that you draw a distinction between the right to single sex spaces and what you call 'sex segregation' and why.

It's a good example of giving an example.

I think people get very confused between women needing single sex spaces for privacy when changing and for fair competition and men insisting on men only parades and clubs where they show their power.

Personally I am pro single sex spaces where actually needed, but anti the idea that women can be at the back of events or hidden away doing activities in private which should normally just be mixed sex.

That said, it's perfectly fine to have men or women only groups generally.
Personally I am pro

You clearly don’t get the distinction between the right to single sex spaces and it being imposed.

Of what?

So, you're claiming the Muslim women in question have chosen to segregate themselves. Okaaay. Can you tell us the reason they have chosen to do that?