Graham Linehan on the chapter about him in Jon Ronson's new book

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Graham Linehan on Jon Ronson's new book

My ex-friend Jon Ronson may be a case study in the corrupting toxicity of trans ideology. An interesting read.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/29278d258cf0921b

TPA does not have a "trans" child.

Yes. I do. Along with countless Irish women. Because along with his wife Helen they were very very brave in speaking up for the right of Irish women to have the choice to have an abortion in Ireland and not have to travel to England.

This was because Helen had an abortion for a baby that had a Fatal Fetal abnormality and if they were living in Ireland Helen would have been denied one. They not only spoke up, they made a video, campaigned and joined with Amnesty. When it was something most politicians and famous people were cowards about the fact that every year over 5000 Irish women travelled to England.

There was an abortion suite in Liverpool hospital known as the Irish suite. We were considered a problem and England didn’t know what to do about us. Because so many came every year.

Women travelled late in pregnancy, in secret, with little or no money. It was horrendous.

The lies that are told about Linehan on here and elsewhere are incredible. He stands up for women, and all children in unmasking life crippling unnecessary surgeries on children and young people. In throwing a spotlight on the unsavoury and perverted nature of sections of the AGP males. And much more.

Lets just hope she's told her daughter that her breast serve a function and if she has a double mastectomy and she decides to have children in the future, she won't be able to breastfeed them. Because she had her BREAST CUT OFF. Lets not have a repeat of the ignorance displayed by 'Freddy'.

Exactly this and I’m really sorry that it has come to this. On the face of it it does seem like an incredibly cruel move from Ronson.

Top 3 threads most likely to bring the TRAs:

1. JKR
2. Graham Linehan
3. KJK or some “you’re all far right by association” theme.

Top 3 threads least likely to bring the TRAs:

1. any trans identifying man convicted of paedophilia
2. any trans identifying man convicted violent behaviour
3. any detransitioner whose story makes them uncomfortable

Regrettably, Ronson's book is top of the Sunday Times non-fiction bestsellers this week. On the plus side, the publicity has given everyone an opportunity to see exactly the kind of person he is.

“who got too embroiled in the culture wars, and it completely took over his life”

@Datun I find it infuriating as well and I am trying to work out what it is about this situation that causes the reaction above, where it really does take over your life.

I’m actually reluctant to post on this thread, because the knives are out and all kinds of lies and smears are already in play. I know that in posting, I open myself to the same, but like Graham, I have lost family over this and it has blown my life apart.

I’ve never in my life been an extremist. I’ve always been middle of the road moderate and I stumbled onto Mumsnet FWR from AIBU, just to see what it was all about.

So how did I get here? Very much as Graham describes elsewhere, I assumed this was simply a situation which would get sorted out if we simply spoke up. The demands transactivism makes are so unreasonable that it seemed obvious they couldn’t withstand even a small amount of daylight.

I campaigned openly, in my own name, because I could. My job situation was safer than most. I am still employed, so I haven’t lost as much as Graham has, though he seems to be getting some of that back.

I never expected that, years later, my children would cut me out of their lives because of it.

I think the attacks on this thread and elsewhere are part of what makes it impossible to walk away. They are clear, gaslighting, narcissistic attacks, fully intended to stop us from speaking out. My conscience tells me that, if I let them stop me, I would be a coward.

So here I am, locked into this horror, where my children are now the flying monkeys for a group of narcissists, telling me that what I believe is unacceptable, but it’s not something that I can turn around.

The aims of transactivism, which are that gender identity should take the place of sex in law and that anyone claiming to be the opposite sex must be given whatever medical treatment they desire as well as being treated as if they are the sex they claim in all circumstances, are so outrageous that they cannot be allowed to stand. And I guess that’s the crux of this. If I say nothing and do nothing and the world goes along with this insanity, then I will be partly to blame.

The whole thing is mad, and yet it’s really happening. I hope some kind of sanity and peace will return, but I don’t know if my family will ever be mended. And that is the worst thing I am having to endure, yet there is no way out, other than through.

It does. Presumably a cynical move that will make him more money than if he left it out too.

@PriOn1 So sorry to hear you’ve had and are having such a dreadful time 💕

Archive.ph links for the Telegraph

http://archive.today/Vzbr2

http://archive.today/Wc0V5

Yep, I was musing on this. JKR and Glinner are like catnip for trans activists. Anyone who speaks up must be silenced innit? The ‘shutup shutup shutup’ approach to advocacy, because once people start talking about the nonsense it falls apart. The only thing to be done is relentlessly smear the individuals because it’s so hard to argue against what they’re actually saying

There is no evidence that the two murdered women had been to Michfest, let alone were regulars there. Jon Ronson may not have known about these murders, or he may have looked into them and realised that it had very little if anything to do with Michfest.

People are trying to create a story that a transwoman murdered two attendees of Michfest, because they were attendees of Michfest. A transwoman angry with biological/cis women because he/she had been denied entry to a women's only space. The reality is that the murderer knew the murdered women as friends, and the dispute was about a motorcycle club that they were all part of.

John Ronson lives in New York now doesn’t he ? I read on here ages ago that his son now identifies as trans, so if true, both those things will be colouring his view.
Graham has paid an enormous price for speaking up against trans ideology.

@PriOn1 Im so sorry fur what you have gone through and are going through 💐

i agree - there are times where i still can't quite believe that in the 21st century I have lost good friends because I refused to accept that men can become women because of feelings. Women I valued and looked up too, who turned out to believe that womanhood was just a performance that any man could do. Like others I thought it was so obvious that men can't be women that it barely needed saying. I thought saying TWAW was just a kind thing to signal that you were fine with gender non conforming men - and then I realised I was meant to believe it literally and just no!! The worse thing is that I am certain they don't believe it either. I'm profoundly sad and still shaken all these years later at just how many men and women were, and are still ,prepared to throw women under the bus to preserve their sense of being on RSOH

‘That’ chapter has got Ronson more publicity for his book than any other. It’s hard to avoid the conclusion Ronson has exploited Linehan for just that reason

I'm really sorry to hear that PriOn1. You've always been a very effective poster on here.

And you're right, it is absolutely insane.

Caring about the loss of women's rights is (sometimes) seen as okay, as long as you don't care that much. Not enough to get gobby, loud, rude, intransigent, furious. And of course, unless you are all those things, the needle doesn't move, in fact it goes backwards.

As the tide is so very definitely turning, I sincerely hope your children allow some scales to fall and that the clarity provides a measure of reconciliation.

💐

Never heard of him but Linehan’s article on him in the Telegraphy was riveting reading. The comments all support Linehan. They are exceedingly complementary.

Yes it looks like exploitation by Ronson. But it’s also him trying to justify his own cowardice. He’s afraid to acknowledge it.

Possible, although there's also a suggestion that he befriended them in order to kill them. It's clear that he's life was a complete fuck up, so who knows why he did what he did, he definately hates women though.

The point Glinner makes still stands, Ronson 'found room for the protest guidelines but not the triple murder committed by the man enforcing them.'

Is it?

There's no documented link between Dansky's murders and camp trans, no evidence she met her victims there or that they even attended.

In the court case, the prosecutors never mentioned Michfest and said the motive was to do with gang-related issues.

That's what Jon put in the notes section for the chapter and is also the identical position Kara Dansky now takes post-trial.

Ronson wrote a piece about camp trans.

Decades later, one of the organisers of camp trans committed a heinous murder.

Graham claims that the victims were Michfest regulars. There is zero evidence they ever attended.

@PriOn1

Sorry, I think I missed the main thrust of your post which is why it takes over one's life.

Because I agree, it does. Or can, obviously.

It is infuriating, it simply is.

You can go over and over in your mind, wondering how the fuck this has been allowed to happen. And who the bloody hell is buying all this unbelievably sexist, illogical, lying bollocks.

You can vacillate wildly from the incoherence, to the clear and obvious danger, via the rampant sexism, all fuelled by the pretence of faux concern.

I mean, it's a veritable banquet of fury inducing crap.

Little wonder that women everywhere are devoting huge swathes of their lives to countering it. Including the women on here.

And yes, disagreement makes it worse. Not because it's actual disagreement, but because of the implications of that disagreement.

Either people don't care about women, because let's face it, they're second class, or they don't see the danger, because they're complacent (or young), or that's the whole point - stick it to women.

Another infuriating course in the Feast of Rage!

You're not alone.

Caring about the loss of women's rights is (sometimes) seen as okay, as long as you don't care that much.

And don’t upset men.

So to be clear, you're saying that the piece that Glinner is referring to was written by Ronson years before the founder of camp trans committed the sicken slaughter of a family of 3.
So Glinner criticising Ronson for not mentioning it is unfair because at the time Ronson wrote the piece the psychotic man hadn't slaughtered anyone yet.

i think those 2 ooooh what about the mitchfest posters are on mission derail.....

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