Most 'trans' people are non binary - EU survey

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https://tgeu.org/tgeu-publishes-trans-human-rights-realities-and-resilience-in-europe/

'65.5% of trans respondents identify as non-binary or gender diverse, marking this as the fastest-growing segment of the trans community (up from 51% in 2019)'

'The EU LGBTIQ Survey III report presents data from 30,627 trans people (trans women, trans men and non-binary and gender diverse people), which represent 30.6% of the total sample (99,972). This is a significant rise from 20,933 trans respondents in the previous LGBTI II Survey in 2019. The increase in trans respondents is especially notable considering that overall, there were almost 40,000 fewer respondents compared to the previous survey. '

I was surprised by this. Interested to see how 'non binary' evolves.

I'm not accusing any particular poster of anything, but having been on FWR for many years, there is a type of poster that claims to be trans and then acts very nastily or pretends they're answering questions by just insulting people.
It's a type of trolling - someone could do this as 'I'm in the XYZ political party and it's well known we don't tolerate XYZ groups' or similar.

I did write more but really don't want to derail the whole thread, so just saying bear in mind that not everyone who claims to speak for a 'community' is doing so in good faith!

Right. Well, if you see someone making posts outwith the guidelines, you can always report them.

I'm afraid there are plenty of people who claim to be trans or trans allies, and then act very nastily.

https://terfisaslur.com/

I already replied to you, but fine.

I learned about being nb from someone else who was nb (but in a different way) as I said. Nb people are different but share two important characteristics: we know we're not a binary gender, and people attack us for it.

Nb people don't have a hive mind. They are individuals who all describe themselves as nb. Not sure how that's difficult.

It fits me in ways I cannot explain. The only feeling that's come close was getting to know some close, long-lost family. When you know, you know.

In the same way that I knew my sister was my relative, without being told, I know who I am.

Helps that I have gay relatives who were told it was a phase, wrong, misguided or a choice. I've watched them have their 'motivations' and 'selfishness' - and their bodies - discussed by others. (I stood up for them, yes.) I saw how they were vilified. How they were dismissed as less than human, mentally ill and predatory.

I know that today's hostility to trans and nb people is a repeat of the homophobic panic of decades ago.

I know to accept and celebrate who I am. Once I've fully come to terms with it. And on this journey I have been endlessly supported by LGBTQIA+ people. It's been humbling. But also, completely nondescript and ordinary. Because it's a really small part of who I am.

no one is a binary gender.....

Well, pretty much all the feminists I know don’t identify as a gender either because we’re generally agreed that it’s all misogynist bollocks. We’re simply women because that’s the word for adult human females.

TransParentlyAnnoyed

You have a belief in nb, not all of us do.

It is nothing like what gays and lesbians went through please stop trying to compare the two.

Nb people are different but share two important characteristics: we know we're not a binary gender, and people attack us for it.

Can you explain what it means to be or not to be a 'binary gender'? Many of us don't think we 'are' or 'have' a gender, because gender is something which is externally imposed on us by society. I really don't understand what people mean when they say they 'are' or 'have' a gender.

What does other people's reaction (who attack you for it) have to do with anything? How can other people attacking you be an important characteristic of yours? Other people's reaction to you can't be an important characteristic which you have because it's something which is done to you, not part of your identity. If everyone was very accepting of NB identities, so that nobody ever attacked you, would your NB identity cease to exist?

Nb people are different but share two important characteristics: we know we're not a binary gender, and people attack us for it.

So the defining characteristic of being NB is that you 'know you're not a binary gender'.

What is a 'gender'?

Nb people don't have a hive mind. They are individuals who all describe themselves as nb. Not sure how that's difficult.

It's not difficult, it's simplistic to the point of total meaninglessness. 'NB people are people who describe themselves as NB'. This is a circular definition.

It fits me in ways I cannot explain. The only feeling that's come close was getting to know some close, long-lost family. When you know, you know.

Know what?!

I swear to god.

I said non-binary people had being attacked in common. That's all. Please try to read my actual words rather than decide what I wrote then reply to that.

Nothing exterior affects the person I am, that's just your projection.

I would rather not be nb but am proud of who I am nonetheless, and barely anyone I know even knows about it.

I only don't explain because of bigotry, prejudice and the tiresomeness of explaining. My mother is 83, and though she supports my trans son it would be an immense bore having to explain being nb to her.

I also have some Britain First types within my stepfamily, and would rather keep my head down.

I don't feel I have a gender, which is why I identify as nb. Others will differ.

I don't give a damn what other people think of me and prefer to be left alone.

Suggesting I'm only nb for attention absolutely proves my point about bigotry, thank you. I keep myself to myself irl to avoid people like you.

I said non-binary people had being attacked in common.

So if they aren't attacked they aren't non-binary? Just trying to understand.

Of course, not one person on the planet has to act as if they believe your subjective belief is material belief. Just because you believe that you are this description and label that you have chosen, doesn't mean anyone has to act as if it is based in material reality.

Not even your family members, so no doubt you will find it stressful to tell them. Because they are really under no obligation to comply with any changes that you tell them you want them to make about how they perceive you or communicate with you.

"Here's a random word. I can't explain or define the word, and I don't know what it means to other people, but I know it describes me and some other people. And because this random word describes me, everyone else has to behave in a special way around me."

... Right. Perfectly normal and reasonable.

If you prefer to be left alone, why do you post on a publicly accessible forum?

'I don't feel I have a gender' - what is a gender?

As far as I understand you, Transparent, gender is a feeling, right? 'I don't feel I have a feeling where I imagine there should be a feeling'.

What if ... there is no such 'feeling'?

Isn't that agender, if you want a label for not having a gender?

Why do you need to explain it to anyone? What difference does it make?

It all sounds very tribal, and I can understand wanting to self define as something different from people who support 'Britain First', and looking for a supportive community, particularly if this was in the context of a difficult family background.

However, if 'trans' and 'LGBQT+' refer to loose social tribes with no commonalities (except perhaps being attacked?), it's very difficult to talk about a group that needs specific rights.

It's also impossible to map this onto sex based rights which have nothing to do with identity.

What navel gazing is.

At least when I talk with religious people they have a clearer idea of what their faith consists of.

Because it might sound tribal, but the overriding impression I get is that its a purely faith based feeling. People cannot describe it except using tautologies and circular reasoning.

I don't feel I have a gender, which is why I identify as nb.

I don't feel I have a gender either (as I've already explained, I don't believe anyone 'has' a gender, since gender is just something which is externally imposed on us). Why have you decided that this means you're NB?

I only don't explain because of bigotry, prejudice and the tiresomeness of explaining. My mother is 83, and though she supports my trans son it would be an immense bore having to explain being nb to her.

I imagine you also don't want to give her an eye injury with all the eye-rolling that would result. Or maybe you're worried that she'd just tell you to grow up, as all that identity stuff is something you should have grown out of by your 20s.

I’m seeing June Whitfield saying “that’s nice dear”.

I don't feel I have a gender, which is why I identify as nb

Millions of people feel the same. It’s 2026. Gender is regressive stereotypes. Most people aren’t interested in those stereotypes - and haven’t been for years and years. That’s why I find it utterly bemusing that someone would define themselves by them - because, to be clear, measuring yourself against gender stereotypes still gives them importance. The NB label is for people who still measure themselves by those stereotypes and can’t quite step away from them and just be themselves without mentally checking what stereotypes they conform to or reject.

The rest of us don’t have a gender either but we’ve stepped right away from the whole idea of stereotypes so we don’t need a special label anymore than we need a special label to explain that we’re sometimes happy and sometimes sad.