Tempest v Rural Payments Agency Tribunal Thread 4

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Previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5549122-tempest-v-rural-payments-agency-tribunal-thread-3

TT substack: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/tempest-vs-defra-and-rural-payments

Tempest (a TW) is claiming discrimination, harassment and/or victimisation on grounds of gender reassignment. Central to the claim is the existence of the Sex Equality and Equity Network in the Civil Service (SEEN). SEEN has been granted right to intervene. Parts of the original claim against the co-chair of SEEN (Elspeth Duemmer-Wrigley) and another party (Andreas Mueller) were struck out or narrowed. Another claimant, PQ, is no longer part of the case.

I will also note that Elspeth still has a garden in need of seeds and water to support the ability of SEEN to be an intervenor in this case. The claim originated because she said "only women menstruate" and a search with her name and those terms at the usual gardening website should point you to her plot.

I feel very sad for her circumstances, as @Boiledbeetle said it would be a mind fuck to know you have male DNA.

How this played out, for seemingly lack of emotional support has created an angry, woman with no anchor, until she found GI.

Instead of looking for people like herself she has latched on to a cause of people unlike herself.

Not realy clear why myself, but deffo social currency etc.

I'll be about. Give me shout if you need a break.

Thanks for all you (and everyone else contributing) have done so far.

That was the thread where women civil servants were being instructed on how to behave if the found a man claiming to be a woman in the women's toilets, changing rooms,. showers etc. No walking out, facial expression must be controlled, etc.
I always remember that thread as it so perfectly demonstrated the extreme levels of coercive control used by transactivists towards women and children. With the civil service being incredibly important as they're able to influence so many policies.
These people have never (until now) ever been told no - no matter how extreme their demands.

Yes, first time I’d heard of the ”Civil Service’s Best Kept Secret”.

Thank you to all the posters upthread.
As luck would have it I happened to listen to “Invisible Women” (by Caroline Criado Perez) a few months ago on Borrowbox (so free to borrow from a lot of libraries).

It is well worth getting hold of/borrowing.

Audio recording .

😂

The Land Registry is based in Croydon and has 13 further regional offices. There are two in the North-West - Birkenhead and Fylde.

As ever, there’s no attempt to define “gender”. Would’ve thought that was pretty fundamental.

And again, I cannot stress this enough - it is literalky MY job to know these things.'

So he's a boozer who drops his rubbish on the ground?

Baby pink, white, and baby blue. This will thoroughly confuse the already confused, and helpfully give anyone who wears it a get-out clause when they are challenged for wrongthink.

A cunning plan

I doubt he’s even half as didactic in real life when there a real and ever-present threat of having a judgment not just overturned by the EAT but remitted back to the ET for a de-novo hearing because of his mis-ruling on this issue.

They've had a huge amount of work to do since compulsory land and property registration was introduced in 1998. About 15% of the land in the UK is still not registered, plus a surprising number of houses. Ten years ago we sold our long-time home (40+ years) which had two fields with it. Neither the house nor the land had been registered, so this had to be done as part of the sale.

Just catching up, but I have to take issue with this, we have way better scones than everyone else, bet you never get a mint aero scone in Cornwall!

My impression is that it was harder for her to accept being a woman with a medical condition, while finding out about her Y chromosome made her feel special.
There are fascinating details, she even says she had some of the ashes from her dead father mixed into the ink for her XY tattoo - ironically she describes herself as having been a 'Daddy's girl'.
I also wish she would have found a better way to deal with her issues than turning into a TRA fig leaf.

I'm only half way through this thread but CP fan reporting for duty.

You are NEVER not playing Yellow Car.

The pseudo-Frenchman is a mansplainer's mansplainer, par excellence.

More catching up but this caught my eye:

ED they are our handlers so to speak

Does she think she's in MI5? This ain't Slow Horses love, much as Jackson Lamb's take on this bonfire would be as entertaining as it would be sweary.

I love that badge. Can I get that on a lanyard too, please, pretty please?

From Tribunal Tweets:
NC: So you say you help gov depts be welcoming to trans & intersex staff, you do training, advice to staff and policy holders -
J: Can we get to Q
NC: So those items, and the section "what have we done so far" - you mention 50 events, 16 bodies/depts, policy packages.
NC: You have had an extraorrinary level of access and influece across CS for years?
ED: No
NC: So the achievement list is false?
ED: No we achieved that even though nobody listens to us.

The Judge is very quick to police NC, to the extent that he risks preventing her from making her points.

Finally caught up on this thread but 2 small questions:

1. in afternoon PP said there’d been a lot of swearing in tribunal and they were sitting on hands until break. Who was swearing and why? (Bundle maybe?)
2. bit of ED’s evidence where she said “oh my word”, what was that referring to?

Thank you if anyone knows!
Like others can’t believe our taxes are paying for this agender s*!

I think the PP meant she was swearing along at home. I didn't hear any swearing in the room.

ED's outburst didn't relate to anything specific that we could see or hear AFAIK. She was generally quite loud and performative, and tended to narrate as she went along, so it was probably another instance of that.

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I saw a photo of ST (and his wife?) on FB, where ST was in a sundress carrying a parasol. Please report back if the parasol gets a day out in court!