Tempest v Rural Payments Agency Tribunal Thread 4

[myladydisdainisyetliving]

Previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5549122-tempest-v-rural-payments-agency-tribunal-thread-3

TT substack: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/tempest-vs-defra-and-rural-payments

Tempest (a TW) is claiming discrimination, harassment and/or victimisation on grounds of gender reassignment. Central to the claim is the existence of the Sex Equality and Equity Network in the Civil Service (SEEN). SEEN has been granted right to intervene. Parts of the original claim against the co-chair of SEEN (Elspeth Duemmer-Wrigley) and another party (Andreas Mueller) were struck out or narrowed. Another claimant, PQ, is no longer part of the case.

I will also note that Elspeth still has a garden in need of seeds and water to support the ability of SEEN to be an intervenor in this case. The claim originated because she said "only women menstruate" and a search with her name and those terms at the usual gardening website should point you to her plot.

When the story of these times is told, all the Mumsnet input will have to be illustrated with various foodstuffs alongside, to the potential confusion of later readers.

[jam first, no butter]

Step aside Holy See(n), real problems are being discussed

I agree, surely it's obvious?

These tribunals work wonders for channelling your rage. This morning's session gave me the impetus to finish weeding my front path!

Ok, and I can pick up then if you want?

Who knew that I would be summoned once more?

^Good afternoon; this is the 2nd July afternoon session in the case of Samantha Tempest v DEFRA & Rural Payments Agency. This morning's evidence can be read at x.com/tribunaltweets...^
Our Substack page on the case includes the previous days' hearings, and a full list of abbreviations

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/ tempest-vs-d...

The court is taking its lunch break at present, and we expect the hearing to restart at 2.05pm.

Alexander Line (AL) the barrister for the Respondents will complete his cross-examination of Emma Dunn (ED), at the time of events the Chair of a:Gender (aG) - the cross-civil-service staff network for Trans, Non Binary & Intersex staff.

ED will then be further cross-examined by Naomi Cunningham (NC), barrister for case intervenors SEEN (Sex Equality & Equity Network), the staff network for gender-critical (GC) civil servants and the SEEN DEFRA departmental network.

Betty that does make a bit more sense - even though I’d still be more likely to put butter and then cream now I think about it. I like jam but just a scraping, I need the cream to make the jam less sweet I suppose. I like cream and butter more than jam obvs.

I have no words. … just… none.

Yes please thank you.

I wonder what the Venn diagram of people reading this thread and Cabin Pressure superfans looks like?

I once dug out a tree root when my ire was up.

I had been at a week before the power up of anger helped me.

Prep Scone : Scone, salted butter, raspberry jam, with seeds, clotted cream.

Repeat on second half of scone.

Eat.

Repeat prep process on a second scone.

Eat.

Repeat prep process on a third scone.

Eat.

Repeat process on a fourth scone.

Eat.

Briefly contemplate if maybe you've had enough now.

Shake head.

Prepare fifth scone.

I expect forms in triplicate, please.

Hashtag-Jam first.
Did the Lanhydrock (National Trust) Mothers' Day advert uprising Act of 2018 not draw very clear lines?

Tamara F was a longstanding civil servant who had lots of top jobs before she retired. Her brother is Danny Finkelstein, Tory peer and Times columnist. Also author of a fascinating book about their family history as Eastern European Jews.

[Hearing is about to begin]
J: Witness now has missing document AL: Thank to Ms Hogben for doing that.
AL: your WS first Mrs Dunn.
AL: We were looking at para 11 of WS, asked you some Qs were you suggesting it was unusual / odd for SEEN to have DEFRA network. In the new bundle - p30

AL: We were looking at para 11 of WS, asked you some Qs were you suggesting it was unusual / odd for SEEN to have DEFRA network. In the new bundle - p30

To be fair that's what buggered Aston uni's data scrape - the recipes and food discussions.

Bit late because damn work but I really feel ED missed her true calling in the Stasi - she really is a nasty vindictive tattle tale

AL: Context is - p5 - this is a Civil Service Investigations Service report into claim that DEFRA and improperly supported the SEEN network and/or staff with GC views.

AL: Report on whether different standards applied, whether improper use of Yammer, and whether DEFRA had improperly supported GC views. Do you agree, overlap with C's claim?
ED: [presumably nods]

Hashtag-Jam first.

Aaarrghhhh, you're all WRONG, just wrongly wrong wrong!
(I'm hungry now)😆

OMG I assumed you were writing a parody - this is directly from her witness statement!

"My first impression of Samantha was how lovely a person she is. Samantha is the strongest person I have ever met.

She is resilient, kind and unquestionably brave.

But she was exhausted. She was really beaten down and really isolated by what she had been put through."

Could someone set this to music? What's that song they used to have for that love songs section on Radio 2?

AL: Context is - p5 - this is a Civil Service Investigations Service report into claim that DEFRA and improperly supported the SEEN network and/or staff with GC views.
AL: Report on whether different standards applied, whether improper use of Yammer, and whether DEFRA had improperly supported GC views. Do you agree, overlap with C's claim?
ED: [presumably nods]
AL: We see complainant is dominic Berry [DB} - you know him?
ED: Yes
AL: He agrees with you, GC views shd not be expressed in teh workplaec?
ED:Seems so yes
AL: p14 we see PQ interviewed - who prevsiously was part of this claim?
ED Yes
AL: 2 anonymised interveiwees A & B