Tempest v Rural Payments Agency Tribunal Thread 2

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Previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5546841-tempest-v-rural-payments-agency-tribunal-thread-follow-on-from-chair-of-seen-is-being-sued

TT substack: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/tempest-vs-defra-and-rural-payments

Tempest (a TW) is claiming discrimination, harassment and/or victimisation on grounds of gender reassignment. Central to the claim is the existence of the Sex Equality and Equity Network in the Civil Service (SEEN). SEEN has been granted right to intervene. Parts of the original claim against the co-chair of SEEN (Elspeth Duemmer-Wrigley) and another party (Andreas Mueller) were struck out or narrowed. Another claimant, PQ, is no longer part of the case.

I will also note that Elspeth still has a garden in need of seeds and water to support the ability of SEEN to be an intervenor in this case. The claim originated because she said "only women menstruate" and a search with her name and those terms at the usual gardening website should point you to her plot.

I may have received the same. I applied after you so wasn’t on the GDPR breach email.

It’s basically an order about who can access documents which I think is a direction for everyone observing etc.

Are we back? I thought it was lunch till 1315? I’m WFTCHTJ

How have they managed to fuck up such a small spreadsheet? Or is it sabotage!

Nothing on TT... (Btw I asked, very politely, whether I could try again for observer status given that apparently observer numbers are in practice low, but no reply yet.)

Having to keep a separate spreadsheet of moderator actions is amateur-hour in the extreme (unless the spreadsheet is actually the Yammer system output).

Did anyone mention how the spreadsheet was populated with data?

I’ll pm you if that’s ok

Please do

Yes, I was wondering whether it was just a data dump rather than a collated sheet.

Which email did you apply to? I'd also like to try...

@prh47bridge Don’t they need someone who authored the spreadsheet to swear to its contents? Otherwise it stands only as evidence of its own existence, not as to the truth of its contents?

I don’t really understand how the spreadsheet came to be referred to in court in the first place. Why was ST allowed to mention it?

Are we going to miss half an hour of proceedings because the TT person has relied on the judge's info about restarting at 1:15 and is not watching right now?!

I also think I've received the same thing .

I too have had an email.

Well this is the thing, does he have access to the back end?

Yeah, I think I’ve jumped the gun here, sorry everyone. I thought my email address was in the open distribution list but I think that’s just how my phone is showing the email.

I’ll report my posts to MN and ask for them to be removed. Sorry for the distraction.

All these emails from the court to posters on the thread - the incompetence is shocking 😮

@BettyBooper
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Tempest v RPA and DEFRA
2502512/2023

Are they actually back? That would be an extraordinarily short lunch break for a court if so.

Us NC admirers are becoming increasingly restive. We're going to break into
'🎶Why are we waiting' at any moment😠

I looked up the origin of 'restive', as that was the first time I had ever written that word. It originally meant ' inclined to rest, stay still' and somehow it got completely turned around to mean the exact opposite.
Language can be weird

I was thinking just that! Not about the ex bit but the answer for everything bit. It would appear he has spent the duration of his months of sick leave working on preparation. Surely sick leave does not constitute an opportunity to work on a personal project?

That's what I assumed. And the row number mixup could easily be a record id vs the excel rownumber.

Please could someone in the know explain what the presumably coded references to gardening, water and seeds for Elspeth are all about?

We’d still need the court to be told who extracted the data, how the court can be reassured it’s complete and not partial, what exactly the search parameters were, and so on.

We aren't allowed to directly discuss fundraising for cases so a garden is a case with a GoFundMe or similar and seeds and watering refer to donations

Elspeth is Elspeth Duemmer-Wrigley, co-chair of a civil service SEEN (I think) who was sued for stating that "only women menstruate