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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girlguiding - Supreme Court Decision email

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ProfMummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 02/12/2025 14:07

Have just had an email from them...

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.

Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement.

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KilkennyCats · 02/12/2025 18:01

“We’ll continue to accept ALL girls”.
What the fuck is wrong with these muppets? 🤦‍♀️

ProfMummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 02/12/2025 18:09

KilkennyCats · 02/12/2025 18:01

“We’ll continue to accept ALL girls”.
What the fuck is wrong with these muppets? 🤦‍♀️

Well they can create an inclusive "girl" group and go off and do that, but it can't be under the girlguiding banner surely, or they will find themselves in hot water.

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medievalpenny · 02/12/2025 18:10

I note that the press are posting the full names of the people making idiotic comments on Facebook.

ProfMummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 02/12/2025 18:12

Well there's a couple of names in that Times article!

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truthsayers · 02/12/2025 18:13

ProfMummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 02/12/2025 18:12

Well there's a couple of names in that Times article!

how do I find a share token for the article?

OdeToTheNorthWestWind · 02/12/2025 18:26

It has actually been reported on the BBC's News at 6!!

A slightly rushed report by Sophie Raworth, saying that "transgender girls and young women" will be banned for the future. Nothing to say that they are actually referring to boys who believe they are girls, which could confuse anyone unfamiliar with the vocabulary of transgenderism.

PolyVagalNerve · 02/12/2025 18:36

The vast majority of leaders and girls will be thrilled about this !!!!

GG HQ are not reflective of the membership

they seem to have created some weird echo chamber of “we are so liberal / right on / progressive” whilst actually throwing decent leaders / women / girls under the bus ….

looking forward to these ‘heavy hearted’ deluded people resigning from GG !!!
go on !!!!! Just go !! You’ve been an utter embarrassment to GG !

medievalpenny · 02/12/2025 18:47

OdeToTheNorthWestWind · 02/12/2025 18:26

It has actually been reported on the BBC's News at 6!!

A slightly rushed report by Sophie Raworth, saying that "transgender girls and young women" will be banned for the future. Nothing to say that they are actually referring to boys who believe they are girls, which could confuse anyone unfamiliar with the vocabulary of transgenderism.

I wonder how long we will have to wait for it to appear on the BBC website. And how accurately it will be reported.

DuchessofReality · 02/12/2025 18:58

This is excellent because the tone of their statement suggests they have been dragged to this position, not taken it up voluntarily, so to speak. Which means the legal advice must have been absolutely unequivocal.

Roll on the WI!

Lovelyview · 02/12/2025 18:58

Well done to the mother who threatened to sue. 👏👏👏👏

PennyLane498 · 02/12/2025 19:10

How sad it is that so many on here are ignorant and choose not to inform themselves of both sides of the issue. Those who are in pain and suffering need support, not segregation. Furthermore, cruel comments like those above don’t make you clever or knowledgeable, they just show that you share the same ethos as a playground bully.

PennyLane498 · 02/12/2025 19:12

Thereby showing your true ignorant and phobic nature. How cruel. How unnecessary.

WallaceinAnderland · 02/12/2025 19:15

This is great news.

The announcement is a big performative head tilt, granted BUT at the end of the day it's clear that their legal advice is that single sex means single sex which means that other institutions will inevitably follow suit.

I honestly don't think they will bother to create new groups. I think privately they are relieved and pleased that this pretence is all ending and they can wash their hands of it.

PolyVagalNerve · 02/12/2025 19:19

PennyLane498 · 02/12/2025 19:10

How sad it is that so many on here are ignorant and choose not to inform themselves of both sides of the issue. Those who are in pain and suffering need support, not segregation. Furthermore, cruel comments like those above don’t make you clever or knowledgeable, they just show that you share the same ethos as a playground bully.

Segregation ?????

no one is calling for those with gender dysphoria to be segregated!!!

just stick to the mixed sex places or your own biological places - it’s common sense and the law

PolyVagalNerve · 02/12/2025 19:20

PennyLane498 · 02/12/2025 19:12

Thereby showing your true ignorant and phobic nature. How cruel. How unnecessary.

Says the person with no insight about the importance of single sex spaces for females …

of which there are very few …

littlebilliie · 02/12/2025 19:21

What a wonderful result for a safe place for our girls. Glad that they have seen sense.

WallaceinAnderland · 02/12/2025 19:21

One of the comments in that Telegraph article:

"My Girlguiding is a safe space for ALL girls. We have been educating and raising allies."

They've been indoctrinating them 😮

PolyVagalNerve · 02/12/2025 19:23

WallaceinAnderland · 02/12/2025 19:15

This is great news.

The announcement is a big performative head tilt, granted BUT at the end of the day it's clear that their legal advice is that single sex means single sex which means that other institutions will inevitably follow suit.

I honestly don't think they will bother to create new groups. I think privately they are relieved and pleased that this pretence is all ending and they can wash their hands of it.

The GG membership will be very pleased -

I think the stonewall - infiltrated - GG HQ members are the only ones who really are seething at being made to capitulate- they really are not reflective of the vast majority of GG

SternJoyousBeev2 · 02/12/2025 19:24

PennyLane498 · 02/12/2025 19:10

How sad it is that so many on here are ignorant and choose not to inform themselves of both sides of the issue. Those who are in pain and suffering need support, not segregation. Furthermore, cruel comments like those above don’t make you clever or knowledgeable, they just show that you share the same ethos as a playground bully.

What segregation?

WallaceinAnderland · 02/12/2025 19:25

WallaceinAnderland · 02/12/2025 19:21

One of the comments in that Telegraph article:

"My Girlguiding is a safe space for ALL girls. We have been educating and raising allies."

They've been indoctrinating them 😮

Sorry, I mean the times

PennyLane498 · 02/12/2025 19:27

PolyVagalNerve · 02/12/2025 19:20

Says the person with no insight about the importance of single sex spaces for females …

of which there are very few …

What a sad misguided individual you are. Your lack of empathy is astounding. Let’s hope no one in your family circle is ever non-conformative.

KilkennyCats · 02/12/2025 19:31

PennyLane498 · 02/12/2025 19:27

What a sad misguided individual you are. Your lack of empathy is astounding. Let’s hope no one in your family circle is ever non-conformative.

Wow! Look in a mirror, dear.

PennyLane498 · 02/12/2025 19:33

KilkennyCats · 02/12/2025 19:31

Wow! Look in a mirror, dear.

Explain

FictionalCharacter · 02/12/2025 19:33

They didn't make their not so "difficult" decision to admit boys with a "heavy heart" and with a trigger warning, did they? They did that on the quiet.