Girlguiding - Supreme Court Decision email

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Have just had an email from them...

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.

Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement.

Only if the parents realise that "single gender" doesn't mean "single sex" in order to challenge.

The kids tell their parents. I knew a lot more about DDs friends transition from DD than from my position as one of the leaders.

(They still continue to use the facilities for their sex at school and Scouts, several years into this)

Your daughter no longer wants to go given a decision that supports her rights as a girl? How much influence have you had over that? Since you have a trans child. It sounds like you are brainwashing your daughter in to accepting the idea that she shouldn't have rights to safe single sex spaces.

Btw, please don't use Gender Ideology cult talking points here, no one is 'assigned a sex at birth'. As a mother, you must know this. Sex is assigned the moment the sperm enters the ova, and is OBSERVED at birth and also on pregnancy ultrasounds.

As your trans child is female, they are welcome to attend. This about male vs female. And the protection of female only spaces. Not 'trans'.

Here, you might be interested in why this happened. You should pass this on to your daughters. As it was about Girl Guides not wanting to enact protections for your daughter. Any comments? Do you see now why the rule was changed? For some reason screenshots are not attaching at all so I have to add a link. Any comments? Do you see now why the rule was changed?

https://x.com/fairplaywomen/status/1043739310325936129 (for some reason screenshots are not attaching at all so I have to add a link)
From as far back as 2018. It states:
"Hundreds of parents signed our open letter asking
@Girlguiding
to review their policy that allows boys who identify as girls to sleep in tents with other girls without telling patents. Two guide leaders have now been thrown out and their units closed."
"2) Girl Guiding refused to answer basic questions about safeguarding and parental informed consent. We cannot ignore the obvious that a trans child who identifies as a girl is still a male child with a body. https://fairplayforwomen.com/guide-leaders-call-for-halt/ "
and other tweets. GG were asked to enact safeguards, they REFUSED.

Sex is determined by chromosomes. And that is set when the sperm enters the ova. No coin-flipping needed.

Any time a fully intact MALE child is in a FEMALE child's space, the risk is obvious.

You should not need this explained to you.

Great to see so much push back against the scientifically illiterate language of the TRAs.

Oh the old HOMOPHOBIC trope. Lesbians don't have penises. And female against female is not the same as male against female.

And it's not anti-'LGB', please stop falsely associating T with LGB thinking it will give your position validity. It won't work.

Brianna Ghey was a MALE. Not a girl. He was a fully intact male and male in every single way. Females are not responsible for the murders of males.

It is absolutely extraordinary to me how many people seem to have parked their brains on this issue and forgot all the sensible basics that presumably they once knew.

What the hell happened?

Mumsnet and the womens rights section is 99% GC and pro-female single sex spaces. You are not going to get many if any (except for the rare Mens Rights Activist) agree with you that female children don't have the right to single sex spaces that were so hard won by our foremother feminists. Maybe a Mens Rights forum might agree with you. But we here are feminists that believe in womens rights. Sorry that bothers you.

Males are not vulnerable. They are the predator and oppressor sex class.

No males are made 'more vulnerable' by females having single sex spaces. You are gaslighting and DARVOing.

The only vulnerable ones are the females.

Has Ghislaine Maxwell herself attacked any women?

All of that hyperbolic ChatGPT word salad is nonsense is absolute lies. The suicide myth in order to threaten and manipulate and control women. The guilting that a male will 'kill himself' if he isn't let into a female space. The lies about the NHS. The misogynistic guilting of women and girls to give up our happiness, safety and our spaces to make males feel better. It's gaslighting, DARVO, it's emotional manipulation, it's abuse.

Males happiness is not the responsibility of women and girls. FEMALES deserve our wholehearted support to have female only spaces. Their happiness is the only thing that matters.

No studies show transwomen face sexual assaults that exceed actual women.

If you believe a fully intact male in a dress is more likely to be sexually assaulted than an ACTUAL WOMAN, (just because the fully intact tall brick shithouse male claims to be trans) you are gaslighting and DARVOing in your attempt to convince us that no matter what happens to females, 'it's the males that have it worse'.

Indeed and in fact, studies show transwomen sexually offend 5 times higher than other males, and are more likely to murder than be murdered.

"Do any of you know anyone who is trans, non-binary, intersex? Biological sex is not as simple as you’d like it to be. 1.7% of the population is intersex - as common as twins. Approximately 1 in 4500 assigned female at birth women are born without wombs."

Please stop spreading misinformation on a parenting site.

1.7% of the population are not 'Intersex'. It has been clarified since 2002.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/

How common is intersex? a response to Anne Fausto-Sterling
Leonard Sax, August 2002

Abstract
Anne Fausto-Sterling s suggestion that the prevalence of intersex might be as high as 1.7% has attracted wide attention in both the scholarly press and the popular media. Many reviewers are not aware that this figure includes conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex, such as Klinefelter syndrome, Turner syndrome, and late-onset adrenal hyperplasia. If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than Fausto-Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.

There have been many other documented rebuttals of this statistic. I suggest that if you are going to attempt to use statistical evidence to support your highly emotional reasoning, you should at least check that statistic thoroughly.

And just as a side note, if the sources for that statistic you are using is wrong and they are spreading misinformation, what else are they wrong about?

"Approximately 1 in 4500 assigned female at birth women are born without wombs."

I think you will find that the key piece of information that a medical team uses to establish whether someone is a female or not is the presence of ovaries, functional or not, with no presence of testes. And if no ovaries or testes are present, they will access that person using other key identifiers of sex.

That a female person is born without a womb, does not make them not a female person. And what the fuck has their medical condition to do with someone having a transgender identity or not. To suggest that this in any way is some kind of explanation of transgender identity is offensive.

If you would like to know more about DSDs, this is a pretty good place to start:

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/watch

"I’d like to ask if and why are you afraid of trans people and what threat you think a transgirl poses to a troop."

The 'threat' is one of safeguarding and of consent (which is of course, part of safeguarding). If you don't understand the safeguarding issues then start with the fact that it is impossible to have strong safeguarding for female people if all those female people and the adults in charge of children have to act as if a male person is female for the purposes of safeguarding.

And if no parent or female child can be told that a male child is going to be in the group then those parents and female children do not have full knowledge of what they need to know to give informed consent.

If any male child cannot be treated as if they are male for the purposes of safeguarding, how can a female single sex provision operate?

There are ex-leaders who are publicly saying that they were told by GG that they had to act as if male children were female children and even as teens, allow male children to sleep in the same tent as female children. And that they were not allowed to tell the parents.

If you seriously cannot see the fucking huge safeguarding issues with this, then perhaps you are wilfully blind to it.

Trans women are women. Full stop. They belong in women’s spaces, including lesbian bars.

WRONG!! Transwomen are males with penis and testicles. Nothing about them is 'woman'. They are the opposite of women. Transwomen are male. Only adult human females are women. So says the LAW. And BIOLOGY. A male with a male body has NO RIGHT being in female only safe intimate single sex spaces. Transwomen are MEN. Full stop.

Reddit has long been known as a haven for misogynist and Mens ('trans') Rights.

Sexual orientation is about gender, not genitals. The whole “nobody is attracted to a piece of paper” line from FWS was about legal sex for single-sex spaces, not about who you fall in love with.

Wow are you ever homophobic and delusional. SEXual orientation is about SEXual preference. Which is yes, based on genitals. It is homophobic to deny that lesbians are sexually attracted to females. 'Gender' is a misogynistic man-made fantasy 'identity'. And the word "attracted" proves it's about who you fall in love with, not single sex spaces. We are not "attracted" to single sex spaces, are we? 🙄

I find it so strange that people keep parroting the TWAW line. They know it is false. Why do they keep lying about it?

They have very little else @TheKeatingFive

The world is moving on and they're not. Some people struggle with change. Wasn't that what we dinosaurs were told not so long ago? To move with the times? Accept change? I offer the same advice to TRAs now. Shame it didn't go the way you wanted.

Identity is a personal matter.

Sex is an objective classification that has absolutely nothing to do with identity.

I don't think there is anything stopping anyone setting up an organisation for everyone who believes they have a female gender identity, as long as they include girls and boys equally.

What they can't do is include all girls regardless of their feelings about their identity, but only boys who comply with more narrow criteria.

I don't understand why this is a problem for them.

It is NOT a 'human right' for a MALE to enter female single sex spaces.

A trans woman (even with a Gender Recognition Certificate) can be legally excluded from women’s refuges, hospital wards, prisons, changing rooms, toilets and support groups whenever the provider wants. A cis woman cannot be excluded from those same spaces.

A MALE can of course and understandably be excluded from FEMALE ONLY SINGLE SEX spaces. It is not a human right to enter opposite sex spaces.

A trans woman is banned from competing in the female category of virtually every elite sport. Cis women face no such blanket ban.

A MALE is banned from competing in the female category because as we play sports with our PHYSICAL BODY, that post-pubertal male has insurmountable physical advantage, and could literally kill a female if they slam into them on the field. A girl has already been partially paralysed from a transwomen on the field. Male bodies slamming against female bodies and stealing medals and awards from females is not a human right.

Trans people under 18 are banned from accessing puberty blockers or hormones on the NHS and now privately too, no matter what doctors or parents think is best. Cis teenagers with medical needs get treatment.

Women are banned from getting Thalidomide now. Lobotomies are now banned. So are puberty blockers based on expert advice. Giving dangerous drugs that caus narrowing of the spinal cord, lower IQ, Osteoporosis at age 24, and fecal and urinary incontinence is not a human right any more than accessing Thalidomide or Cyanide is.

Adult trans people wait five to ten years for a first NHS appointment and many GPs still refuse to prescribe hormones even when told to by a specialist. Cis patients do not face that delay or refusal for comparable healthcare.

Bullshit. Trans people can get an appointment within a month. Where as a female needing HRT for menopause has to wait over a year. If a person is trans, it's a fact they get medical help before non-trans. It is not a human right for males to jump the queue.

There is still no self-ID.

As their shouldn't be. The only people pushing for self ID are predator enablers that want males in female spaces. No male should be able to self ID, that's a safeguarding risk. That is not a human right.

Changing your birth certificate requires a panel, a dysphoria diagnosis and two years of evidence. Most countries in Europe ditched that system years ago.

It shouldn't even be legal to change a legal medical document. It is not a human right.

Even with a GRC your legal sex for the purposes of the Equality Act remains your birth sex, as confirmed by the Supreme Court this year. So the certificate changes almost nothing in practice.

As it should be. You can't change your physical biology. It is not a human right.

Trans pupils can be forced to use facilities matching their birth sex and schools are now told to prioritise teaching “biological sex” over social transition.
Those are not theoretical gaps. They are daily,
enforceable differences in rights that no cis person has to deal with.

Males can be forced to use male facilities. That is common sense. Social transition leads to males invading female safe spaces. Males entering female only intimate safe single sex spaces is not a human right.

Every one of your point is extra (male) privileges, none, not...one, is a 'human right'.

No, you are passionate about Mens Rights and hiding it behind 'trans'.

Yeah, it's an obscure number to land on. What happens at 4 that these children start thinking they're the wrong gender.