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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girlguiding - Supreme Court Decision email

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ProfMummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 02/12/2025 14:07

Have just had an email from them...

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.

Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement.

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/12/2025 13:41

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:36

So we can say it as it is, it’s anti LGBTQIA+ and there is no 2 ways about it. How long before people say no lesbians as they might attack someone or look at another girl in a single sex space

Nah, you're generally no more than a toadstool's shadow away from a LGB female adult in GG.

Always been the case, too.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 04/12/2025 13:42

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:39

If we are on about safety and trauma and this risks faced by these girls look at Brianna Ghey

The judge concluded that transphobia was not the prime motive in the murder of Brianna Ghey. The murderers were batshit and wanted to kill something, and Ghey was a good victim

CautiousLurker2 · 04/12/2025 13:43

Datun · 04/12/2025 13:39

Loads of LGBTQIA in girl guides.

Zero boys.

And always have been as far as I recall from the 90s and my recent involvement.

But let’s not allow truth to get in the way of ‘homophobia!’ accusations now that the transphobic ones are being rebuffed. Has everyone got their GI BINGO cards out and their dabbers ready?

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 04/12/2025 13:43

NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/12/2025 13:41

Nah, you're generally no more than a toadstool's shadow away from a LGB female adult in GG.

Always been the case, too.

Hence the rainbows 😜

forgotmyusername1 · 04/12/2025 13:46

To answer someone's question yes people are imagining 8 year old kids colouring and playing jump rope - really mean of people to say the trans girl can't play

What they aren't imagining is a 14 year old trans girl and a couple of 14 year old cis girls sharing a tent and a shower on a girl guide camp

Greyskybluesky · 04/12/2025 13:46

Why has this thread taken this turn? I thought @OneLoftyPombear was asking if her daughter could join GG?

To which @CautiousLurker2 provided the answer:
yes your trans son may now join (and in deed was permitted to all along - so it is terribly sad that they were discriminated against by GGUK in this way until now). All female sexed individuals may join, including those that identify as male or non binary. The right for them to do so is protected in law.

Why are "anti LGBTQIA+" and transphobic bullying accusations now being thrown around?

Datun · 04/12/2025 13:47

Greyskybluesky · 04/12/2025 13:46

Why has this thread taken this turn? I thought @OneLoftyPombear was asking if her daughter could join GG?

To which @CautiousLurker2 provided the answer:
yes your trans son may now join (and in deed was permitted to all along - so it is terribly sad that they were discriminated against by GGUK in this way until now). All female sexed individuals may join, including those that identify as male or non binary. The right for them to do so is protected in law.

Why are "anti LGBTQIA+" and transphobic bullying accusations now being thrown around?

Edited

Transactivism

Silverbirchleaf · 04/12/2025 13:49

Does anyone else feel nervous in posting on Facebook etc in support of the statement?

Greyskybluesky · 04/12/2025 13:49

Datun · 04/12/2025 13:47

Transactivism

Oh, was it a 'gotcha'?

I see.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 04/12/2025 13:51

Should say someone not something. Flipping autocorrect

CautiousLurker2 · 04/12/2025 13:51

Silverbirchleaf · 04/12/2025 13:49

Does anyone else feel nervous in posting on Facebook etc in support of the statement?

Sadly you can’t - or at least I couldn’t so it may be you have to be a verified follower or something.

There were some posts in support with triple-figured likes, but mainly it was distraught be kinders with a handful of likes and 💙s. I assumed they had locked it?

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:52

Greyskybluesky · 04/12/2025 13:46

Why has this thread taken this turn? I thought @OneLoftyPombear was asking if her daughter could join GG?

To which @CautiousLurker2 provided the answer:
yes your trans son may now join (and in deed was permitted to all along - so it is terribly sad that they were discriminated against by GGUK in this way until now). All female sexed individuals may join, including those that identify as male or non binary. The right for them to do so is protected in law.

Why are "anti LGBTQIA+" and transphobic bullying accusations now being thrown around?

Edited

I just thought this was a place for mums to share concerns and I was sharing concerns about my Daughter and Son. Didn’t expect a load of TERF replies, was hoping for support

Greyskybluesky · 04/12/2025 13:53

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:52

I just thought this was a place for mums to share concerns and I was sharing concerns about my Daughter and Son. Didn’t expect a load of TERF replies, was hoping for support

You got support. People answered your question. What more do you want?

You asked if your trans son could join GG. As she is a girl, yes.

forgotmyusername1 · 04/12/2025 13:54

A lot of proud terfs reside here
Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits

forgotmyusername1 · 04/12/2025 13:54

A lot of proud terfs reside here
Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits

SternJoyousBeev2 · 04/12/2025 13:55

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:36

So we can say it as it is, it’s anti LGBTQIA+ and there is no 2 ways about it. How long before people say no lesbians as they might attack someone or look at another girl in a single sex space

Give it a rest with the hyberbolic nonsense. No wonder your daughter wants to quit in protest if this is the kind of bullshit she is being fed by you.

women and girls are entitled to our own shit. GG by its charitable status is a single sex organisation. The presence of boys with trans identities means it’s no longer single sex but it’s actually discriminatory by not allowing boys who don’t have a trans identity.

And girls are not emotional support animals for boys with trans identities so stuff the “affirmation” crap.

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:56

Greyskybluesky · 04/12/2025 13:53

You got support. People answered your question. What more do you want?

You asked if your trans son could join GG. As she is a girl, yes.

Edited

That these changes are making some of the most vulnerable in society even more vulnerable.

and if we are happy to exclude a group and make there life worse for what in essence is little to no gain apart from perceived safe guarding concerns with no evidence then I hope you are happy as if one trans girl dies as a result of your hatred towards them it’ll be on all your hands (this has probably already happened)

CautiousLurker2 · 04/12/2025 13:57

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:52

I just thought this was a place for mums to share concerns and I was sharing concerns about my Daughter and Son. Didn’t expect a load of TERF replies, was hoping for support

Of course you expected TERF replies. Don’t be disingenuous.

And our replies are: really sad that your daughter and you seem so bigoted against the needs of girls who are in need of exclusively single-sex spaces (muslims and other faiths) or those who have trans-identities, such as your trans ‘son’ who - like other biological girls who identify as NB or male gendered - absolutely should have been allowed to join and participate in GGUK units and activities all along.

Yes, it is with a heavy heart and sadness that I see there is still no compassion or inclusive of either group of vulnerable young girls after this statement.

CautiousLurker2 · 04/12/2025 13:58

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:56

That these changes are making some of the most vulnerable in society even more vulnerable.

and if we are happy to exclude a group and make there life worse for what in essence is little to no gain apart from perceived safe guarding concerns with no evidence then I hope you are happy as if one trans girl dies as a result of your hatred towards them it’ll be on all your hands (this has probably already happened)

They’ve been excluding a vulnerable subset of GIRLS (trans identifying and NB girls) all along. Where the fuck is your compassion and concern for them?

Greyskybluesky · 04/12/2025 13:58

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:56

That these changes are making some of the most vulnerable in society even more vulnerable.

and if we are happy to exclude a group and make there life worse for what in essence is little to no gain apart from perceived safe guarding concerns with no evidence then I hope you are happy as if one trans girl dies as a result of your hatred towards them it’ll be on all your hands (this has probably already happened)

and if we are happy to exclude a group and make there life worse for what in essence is little to no gain apart from perceived safe guarding concerns with no evidence then I hope you are happy as if one trans girl dies as a result of your hatred towards them it’ll be on all your hands (this has probably already happened)

Right.
The suicide threat.
That didn't take long.

According to you, you have daughters. What a pity you think so little of girls and their space in the world.

forgotmyusername1 · 04/12/2025 14:00

I think Tom from 'IACGMOOH' is a really good role model for effeminate boys.

He is a man who clearly is very effeminate but still a man.

Hadn't come across him before but he is bloomin brilliant

CautiousLurker2 · 04/12/2025 14:01

forgotmyusername1 · 04/12/2025 14:00

I think Tom from 'IACGMOOH' is a really good role model for effeminate boys.

He is a man who clearly is very effeminate but still a man.

Hadn't come across him before but he is bloomin brilliant

Sadly, he and his partner feel it is totally appropriate to rent a womb to give themselves babies. But the questions arising over the morality of surrogacy is another in FWR.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 04/12/2025 14:02

Greyskybluesky · 04/12/2025 13:49

Oh, was it a 'gotcha'?

I see.

No answer about DSD issues either so I’m guessing that was an attempt at a ‘gotcha’ too

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 14:02

🙄, got to have the swearing because don’t have the vocabulary to get across a point.

forgotmyusername1 · 04/12/2025 14:03

OneLoftyPombear · 04/12/2025 13:56

That these changes are making some of the most vulnerable in society even more vulnerable.

and if we are happy to exclude a group and make there life worse for what in essence is little to no gain apart from perceived safe guarding concerns with no evidence then I hope you are happy as if one trans girl dies as a result of your hatred towards them it’ll be on all your hands (this has probably already happened)

Taking the 'people are they say they are' to the next level

Should Stefonknee wolscht be allowed in rainbows? She is a 6 year old little girl (and father of 7) after all

www.dailymail.co.uk/lifestyle/article-3356084/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html

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