Girlguiding - Supreme Court Decision email

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Have just had an email from them...

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.

Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement.

Bollocks

I think this must be it. It's got a penis but we're over our quota for boys today so we'll call this one a girl

would you let Ghislaine Maxwell join all your women only groups?

My vocab is excellent thank you - BA/MA/ and almost a PhD in literature, actually. The word I used has origins in Anglo Saxon and medieval English literature. I strongly suggest you don’t venture within the pages of Chaucer’s the Wife of Bath if my language causes the vapours.

But just in case you were side stepping the difficult question I’ll rephrase: Where is your compassion for the vulnerable girls with trans identities or limitations of faith/culture who desperately need safe, exclusively single-sexed spaces?

Why are they LESS important than a small number of boys who identify as girls?

If it was a women's prison, then yes of course.

What don't you understand? It's not women's job to mollycoddle boys and men. If you want to do it, off you trot (as if).

The guides is for the empowerment of girls. That's the whole point.

Nothing to do with boys.

This is probably going to come as a shock, but women and girls are not designed to be service humans for boys and men.

No as she is a sex offender

Are you saying Stefonknee is not a six year old girl? But she identifies as that therefore we must affirm her identity surely? If her adoptive parents tried to enroll her into rainbows should they affirm that she is a 6 year old girl or deny?

Gosh, all these amazing gotchas from Lofty are really making me rethink my position. 🤔

😂

What a bizarre comeback.

Female people are entitled to be in women-only groups.

Enough with the 'most vulnerable'. Men aren't vulnerable as a group, compared to women.

And no one is being 'excluded'. There is provision for all within their own sex class.

Trans children can join youth groups appropriate for their sex and age or they can join mixed sex groups. They don’t get additional privileges to join groups intended for the opposition sex. Lots of people are vulnerable, trans folks are not at the top of the pyramid of oppression not matter how much you want that to be true.

other vulnerable young people can’t join groups that they may want to. If the local Brownie hut isn’t wheelchair accessible for example that might mean a young girl needs to find an alternative. Adult volunteers cannot all communicate with BSL so that might mean a profoundly deaf young person may find it hard to find a suitable group to join.

BG’s death is no more our fault that the victims of Barbie Kardashian, Isla Bryson and hundred of others is your fault

Again, fuck right off with your hyberbolic bullshit
Teach your children that gender is regressive bollocks and that sex is real and in some occasions it matters.

Consider the stark realities: trans girls endure “gender minority stress” that sends mental health crises through the roof. In the 2024 LGBTQ+ Youth Mental Health Survey, 72% of trans and non-binary young people who faced discrimination had thought about suicide, more than double the rate for their cisgender peers. A 2014 UK study found that 48% of trans people under 26 had attempted suicide, compared with just 6% of all young people. The Trans Mental Health Study recorded lifetime attempt rates of 35%, seven times the national average. After the 2020 Bell v Tavistock judgment restricted access to puberty blockers, suicides among trans youth on NHS waiting lists leapt from one in the previous seven years to sixteen in less than three. Whistle-blowers repeatedly warned NHS leaders, including Dr Hilary Cass, yet the evidence was buried. That is not oversight; it is outrageous negligence that costs young lives. Almost half of all trans people in Britain have seriously considered suicide, according to the Mental Health Foundation.
Schools, which should be places of safety and growth, too often become battlegrounds. One in three trans children experiences violence or bullying severe enough to make them miss months of education or leave mainstream schooling altogether. Two-thirds of trans girls face harassment that feeds straight into depression. A 2023 study of thirty socially transitioned children laid bare the rising tide of transphobia that leaves them feeling unsafe from primary school onwards. Yet we know that gender-affirming environments cut the risk of suicidality by up to 73%. Why on earth are we denying them that lifeline?
The NHS waiting lists only deepen the pain. More than 5,700 children and adolescents are stuck waiting for a first appointment, a rise of two hundred in a single year. Young people now face delays of two years; adults wait up to ten. Nearly 48,000 people, two-thirds of them under twenty-five, are on lists that grow by 12.5% every year. Some will wait a quarter of a century from first dysphoria to treatment. The indefinite ban on puberty blockers for under-eighteens flies in the face of the nuanced Cass Review and blocks the very care that could ease their distress.
Discrimination is relentless: 62-73% of trans people experience harassment, a quarter suffer physical violence, two-thirds are verbally abused, and 84% no longer feel safe in public. In schools trans girls are segregated, forced to change alone or barred from the correct facilities. Post-2025 EHRC guidance effectively requires exclusion, breeding more bullying. In refuges they are turned away to male wards despite half of them having survived domestic or sexual abuse themselves. There is simply no evidence that trans inclusion increases risk in single-sex spaces; exclusion, however, fuels prejudice and despair.
These policies do not protect anyone; they destroy young lives. They force children to out themselves, spike anxiety, drive school drop-out and breach basic privacy rights. We have better answers: individual assessment, more gender-neutral facilities, proper staff training. Affirmation saves lives. Let us build a Britain where every girl, trans or cis, can simply be herself and thrive. Trans girls deserve nothing less than our wholehearted support; their happiness is our shared victory.

You're going to need some paragraphs and punctuation if you want people to read and respond to that.

And they will.

Edited to add: oh, I see now it's a cut-and-paste job that didn't paste correctly. Are you going to credit the source?

It's not the job of girl guides to manage the mental health of distressed boys, is it.

ffs.

Yes, unfortunately these children often have significant mental health issues. It is not at all unusual for a trans presentation to run alongside all of this.

They need mental health support. Lying to them about how society will see them, depending on the rest of the world to affirm something they know to be false is a disastrous approach

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These days, we have DNA testing so no coins are needed.

How would you deal with someone raised female with female genitalia but they were infertile, underwent further testing etc and weren’t simply XX. Should they be excluded from all these spaces?

So a UN Women UK’s report indicates that 71% of women experience sexual harassment in their lives, rising to 86% of women aged 18-24, which may support the drive for exclusively single-sexed spaces for women throughout their lives.

Am guessing certain PPs don’t care about them, though.

Just started reading the article. Creepy or what.

I agree that the UN Women UK report, revealing 71 per cent of women experience sexual harassment in their lifetimes, increasing to 86 per cent for those aged 18 to 24, strongly supports the case for exclusive single-sex spaces to protect women’s safety and dignity.
Yet, facts about transgender girls complicate this. Studies show transgender people face sexual assault at rates around 47 per cent lifetime, often exceeding cisgender women, with US surveys indicating 37 per cent for transgender women specifically.

How does this change the approach to inclusive or separate provisions for trans girls?

You know what really messes with young people's mental health?

Lying to them.

I have plenty of language but I subscribe to the Billy Connolly school of thought when appropriate. You however have shown yourself with the TERF slur, appropriating DSDs, using a dead child and threats of suicide so you can FROTTFSOF with your activist playbook

women and girls are entitled to our own shit and we are not giving any of it up. Put your efforts into setting up your own groups rather than destroy ours.

Teach boys to be more accommodating to their gender non-conforming peers.

A woman was raped by a transwoman on an nhs womens ward
nhs denied it as there were no men on the ward
cctv proved the victim was telling the truth

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/17/hospital-told-police-patient-not-raped-alleged-attacker-transgender/

In your example you say about it being unfair that transgirls are segregated into their own changing rooms. What if the biological girls don't want to get changed with a transgirl with a biologically male body? Why are their wishes less important?