NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #55

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to: [email protected]

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 51: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5402652-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-51 1 September 2025 to 2 September 2025
Thread 52: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5403218-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-52 2 September 2025 to 4 September 2025
Thread 53: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404208-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-53 3 September to 1 October 2025
Thread 54: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5418690-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-54 from 28 September 2025

Fuck I’ve missed Big Sond. Giv im a tv judge show.

With MN style subtitles.

OK Bez but do we have an actual date ?

I huvnae a scooby doo, am watching the threeds same as abdy else

Indeed. But there seems to be a total conviction that these are indeed genuine "period pains". I think my first post here said my head hurts (figuratively) at this topsy turvy-ness.

If a woman claimed to be suffering pain in an organ she didn't actually have, she'd be called hysterical fer sher.

Followed by "a fantasist".

Are there any statistics about (to use the vernacular) MtF and FtM? I get the impression the former is significantly more prevalent. If that is correct, have there been any studies why this might be the case?

Can we have a Big Sond version of the decision when it’s finally released please?

I casually threw in the phrase “huvnae goat a scooby” recently and was met with blank stares. In central Scotland. Ah wuz blaeck affrontit.

Watching the threads - haeing a deek? 😁

Oh happy days Bez has stuck his “heed” above the parapet

it is a sign……

Sorry, can’t remember. And it could just have been a journalist assuming that she must have done. If it’s seen as potentially part of a campaign of persecution of SP, they’ll have to produce all the documentary evidence relating to the whole sorry Press Release saga for the new action. If Ms Potter was responsible, she would have had to go.

Michty me, it's been a meenit since I heard 'have a deek'.

I've been awa fae Fife for 32 year now, biding in southest England for the last 20.

The neebor chat is aw in there somewhaur, but it's a bit stoory, ken.

I'll gie it ma best shot, hopefully will be a quiet week at work!

I have another thought on this. Apparently journos at the Courier did a FOI on that statement NHS Fife issued during tribunal that effectively accused Sex Matters of instigating threats of violence m. They want to see how the decision was taken and how it was drafted. The FOInwas refused and so they’ve asked for the next step which is for the documents to be reviewed to see if NHSFife reasons for refusal stand up. The documents haven’t been handed over so a legal enforcement is in place which gives them six weeks to pony up.

i know wonder if her early retirement is because she masterminded (stupid minded?) this?

So knowing the documents will
ultimately be released and show her to be a complete tit, perhaps, they got the retirement deal in place. They will then have about 3months I guess to hand over the docs, for an investigator to review them and for the decision to be made about whether they can be given to journos taken.

I strongly suspect the threats of violence would be shown to have come from the TRA side.

I'm sure this came up at the time. Didn't JR say the tribunal was moved due to threats - implying towards her side, but it turned out the threats were made to SP - or NC, I can't remember which one.

The threats we knew about were to NC and the judge.

It was to NC and Big Sond, there was a TRA man who was calling for people to "citizens arrest" them if they "misgendered" Theodore Upton.

Fucking loonies! The citizens arrest bit would be almost funny if it weren't so serious that it caused them to move the tribunal to a whole new city.

I'm sure that was Lyndsay Watson, wasn't it?

That's my recollection too, but I can't be bothered to go trawling through the threads to find it.

Yeah, it caused mild hysteria in February when the R's witnesses and counsel proceeded to misgender Upton one after the other, and everyone really wanted them to be citizen arrested on the way out of court.

What was really interesting was that many of the defence witnesses also did it at least once by accident. It was like an episode of Faulty Towers:-

Don’t mention that is he is a man. Don’t mention that he is a man.

it really was. Even Isla Bumba managed to mess it up, and she's supposedly an expert.

Well in her defence she doesn’t know her own sex so anybody could be anybody really.

Also thanks again Bez for all the laughs. Best trial summaries ever with Big Sond.

Do the Employment Tribunal decisions just appear on the decisions website or will we get notice?

Oh my. I’d forgotten about Fifes ghastly ever changing statement. I can’t wait to hear more about that pearler.

@CrocsNotDocs The parties involved get a little advance notice. Sometimes they are comments on twitter about decisions being due.