NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #55

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to: [email protected]

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 51: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5402652-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-51 1 September 2025 to 2 September 2025
Thread 52: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5403218-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-52 2 September 2025 to 4 September 2025
Thread 53: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404208-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-53 3 September to 1 October 2025
Thread 54: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5418690-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-54 from 28 September 2025

I’m sure your pal Carol is a lovely friend. Never forgets your birthday and is a generous host.

But the antics of NHSFife do not reflect well on her and her leadership. She’s either been a coward for not standing up to the gender idealogues, incompetent for not knowing what was going or she’s a fully paid up ideologue herself.

Trans ideology ‘more repressive than McCarthyism’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4dda32ce9cb377a6

From the Sandie Peggie thread

NebulousSadTimes · Today 17:55

It's due to be shown on BBC1 Scotland at 00.10 tonight or 11 o'clock on BBC Scotland.
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Thank you for posting. I think Ms Holt needs educating.

You were a genius. A radio show would be amazing!

Which inflammatory newspaper articles and what outcome are you referring to?

Lots of the posters here watched the tribunal live via the court’s stream or in person. Many of the rest of us followed along thanks to the live tweeting authorised by the court. Far from personas constructed from assumptions and unflattering inflammatory newspaper articles, our impressions of NHS Fife’s management has been informed by their own evidence out of their own mouths and what that conveyed about the culture presided over by your friend.

The journalist interviewing NC keeps saying he’s not going to challenge everything she says, but does, and also heavily criticises JKR as if it’s reasonable to have NC answer for her. But, despite that he is at least pollite, which is more than most interviewers on this subject have been. But oh my saying that having a gay child and a trans child requires the same loving response . Grr. And yes , I have been in both situations.

I can't read the whole article but if "you" are choosing to take early retirement, why would you receive an enhancement? So even more that suggests she has been pushed and told firmly enhancement would be inappropriate. Under the circumstances.

Anyone announcing early retirement in their 50's is odd. I am an older professional, different industry. Retirement age now even for my age group is late 60's. Private pensions are different. So Carol retiring early, not on grounds of ill health, or family commitments (often used for a board sacking), what are the general public to think? She is going before she is properly pushed, no enhancement confirms that. SP might not be perfect but she didn't deserve to be asked to change in front of a known man, because your friend didn't have the capacity to lead and question this. Many of us on here have been questioning this for nearly a decade.

How many other dominoes will fall now, and those in charge slip quietly out the door before actual retirement date....

Hoping the verdict will be tomorrow. Looks like it's pointing towards this.

The suspenders are killing me 😃

Or, the "no pay out" is intended to confirm she's leaving of her own volition ie no compromise agreement

I daresay she's a kind and loyal friend. And perhaps she's unlucky that this incident happened to occur on her patch. Could just as easily have been a different health board

But, expecting a woman to share changing facilities with a man was never OK. And she's in charge. So ....

It took evidence across 20 days and was covered closely by media in the UK and internationally.

This from the BBC article (just not by them) made me giggle!

I suppose you could say, they haven't lost their sense of humour!

A reddit poster thinking very much along the same lines as us

"I am very concerned that Cunningham is taking time out to do press appearances up here in Scotland, esp given her high volume of cases. She didn't have time to represent SM at the supreme court for GLP vs EHRC, but she has time for this.
The judge in Peggie vs NHS Fife said parties would get 5-10days notice on the judgement.
It is 9 days since the NHS Fife's head announced her unplanned early retirement"

If she's leaving for positive reasons we don't know about then she can share our glee. 🎉

If she's going under duress because she stubbornly persisted in leading NHS Fife into a shitshow of a tribunal, despite certain knowledge that the suspension and investigation and witch hunt of Sandie Peggie was based on a terrible lie, then good riddance to bad rubbish xx

I'd be utterly ashamed to be friends with someone who treats vulnerable women this way. It's telling you're more offended by our opinions of her than her hateful, vile and despicable behaviour.

So Carol Potter is taking some form of action against those newspapers for the ‘inflammatory articles’, presumably? Which ones?

I hope she doesn’t mind you coming on here and talking about her private stuff.

AI results but with original sources for verification.

Lots of next few weeks/ end November and by Christmas. So sometime this year 🤣.

Key Sources on the Sandie Peggie Employment Tribunal Judgment Timeline

The information provided earlier draws from recent media reports and updates as of late November 2025.

Primary News Articles:

1. *The Herald (November 21, 2025)*

• Title: "Sandie Peggie latest: NHS Fife judgment due in 'coming weeks'"

• Key Quote: "The judgment in the Sandie Peggie employment tribunal will be published before Christmas. Ms Peggie's legal team told journalists the ruling in the 'coming weeks'."
• Link: www.heraldscotland.com/news/25640252.sandie-peggie-latest-nhs-fife-judgment-due-coming-weeks/

1. *The Herald (November 17, 2025)*

• Title: "Early exit for NHS Fife chief as Sandie Peggie tribunal ruling nears"
• Key Quote: "It is understood the legal teams are expecting a judgment in late November or early December."
• Link:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25628151.early-exit-nhs-fife-chief-sandie-peggie-tribunal-ruling-nears/

1. *BBC News (November 27, 2025)*

• Title: "Sandie Peggie lawyer says Scottish government is in denial"
• Key Quote: "Earlier this year, Ms Cunningham represented Sandie Peggie in an employment tribunal, which is expected to return a ruling before the end of the year."
• Link: www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvdnm2r47po

1. *BBC News (November 17, 2025)*

• Title: "NHS Fife head takes early retirement ahead of Sandy Peggie ruling"
• Key Quote: "A ruling in the case is expected before the end of the year."
• Link: www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgmrg71r0eo

1. *The Herald (October 15, 2025)*

• Title: "Sandie Peggie tribunal judgment looms - here's when to expect verdict"
• Key Quote: "The judgment in Sandie Peggie's employment tribunal against NHS Fife looms as deliberations begin." (This aligns with earlier mid-November projections that shifted to "coming weeks" by late November.)
• Link: www.heraldscotland.com/news/25541619.sandie-peggie-tribunal-judgment-looms---expect-verdict/

And just for fun - @nauticant is now a source of truth at thread 55

Discussion and Community Sources:

• *Mumsnet Forum Thread (Updated November 27, 2025)*
• Title: "NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #55"
• Key Quote: "The judgment in the Sandie Peggie employment tribunal will be published before Christmas. Ms Peggie's legal team told journalists the ruling in the 'coming weeks'." (Cites The Herald article above.)
• Link: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5447019-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-55

These sources consistently reference updates from Peggie's legal team (e.g., barrister Naomi Cunningham) and tribunal insiders. No exact date has been set, as is common for employment tribunals, but the consensus points to December 2025 at the latest.

Is today the day?

When the judgement arrives, could it be posted repeatedly, with big gaps in, to make it easy for those who can’t follow religiously to find it??

Like this, or in multiple posts? @nauticant

Just so it’s really visible? I can’t remember how to do bigly or I’d have a go 🤣

<impatiently drums table>
It won’t save my big spaces! Tidy, but irritating.

Toad entrails and the sky last night suggest it may be!

[Apparently it’s ten days since Carol Potter announced her retirement, and Naomi has been doing lots of interviews where she seems very cheerful.]

Cauldron bubbling on the fire and incantation sung - here's hoping it's today and that Dr Sad Times will be even sadder come the end of the day.