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"Darlington Nurses" vs County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust Tribunal Thread 5

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ThreeWordHarpy · 31/10/2025 12:22

Thread 1, 7-Oct to 23-Oct; pre-hearing discussion, KD (day 1 of evidence) and BH (day 2).
Thread 2, 23-Oct to 28-Oct; BH (day 2), CH, JP, MG (day 3&4), TH, SS, ST, LL (day 4), JS, AT (day 5)
Thread 3, 28-Oct to 29-Oct, AT (day 5&6), TA (day 6&7)
Thread 4, 29-Oct to 31-Oct, TA, AM (day 7) JB (day 8)

Five nurses working at Darlington Memorial Hospital have filed a legal case suing their employer, an NHS trust, for sexual harassment and sex discrimination. The nurses object to sharing the women’s changing facilities with a male colleague, Rose, who identifies as female. The hearing started on October 20th, with evidence starting on October 22nd and is scheduled to last 3 weeks. To view the hearing online requests for access had to be made by October 17th. The hearing is being live tweeted by Tribunal Tweets who have background to this case on their substack. An alternative to X is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

The Judge made clear at the start of the public hearing on Day 1 that only TT or press have permission to tweet. If online observers see/hear something in the court that isn’t reported by TT, we don’t mention it until the next time there’s a break. This is a very cautious approach to avoid any accusations of “live reporting” on MN. Commentary on the content of TT tweets is fine as soon as they’re posted on X.

Key people:
C/Ns - Claimants, the Darlington nurses
R/T/Trust - Respondent, County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust
J/EJ – Judge/Employment Judge Seamus Sweeney
NF - Niazi Fetto KC, barrister for claimants
SC - Simon Cheetham, KC, barrister for respondents
RH - Rose Henderson, trans identifying nurse
CG – Clare Gregory, ward manager
SW - Sue Williams, NHS Trust HR
KD – Karen Danson, first claimant to give evidence.
BH – Bethany Hutchison, claimant
AH – Alistair Hutchison, husband of Bethany
CH – Carly Hoy, claimant
JP – Jane Peveller, claimant
MG – Mary Anne (aka Annice) Grundy, claimant
TH – Tracy Hooper, claimant
SS – Siobhan Sinclair, witness for the claimants, retired from Trust
ST – Sharron Trevarrow, witness for the claimants, retired from Trust, former housekeeper and wellbeing officer
LL – Lisa Lockey, claimant
JP – Professor Jo Phoenix, expert witness
JS – Jane Shields, witness for the claimants
AT - Andrew Thacker, NHS trust Head of HR
TA – Tracy Atkinson, NHS trust HR.
AM – Andrew Moore, NHS Head of Workforce Experience
JB – Jillian Bailey, NHS Workforce Experience Manager

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Boiledbeetle · 31/10/2025 14:29

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 31/10/2025 14:27

My guess is they just order loads from Viking, and use a previous order.

Ask me how I know!

ooh Viking!

I'm still working my way through the bulk load of staples I bought from Viking in 1996.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 31/10/2025 14:30

Critical thinking skills doesn’t seem to be an essential competence for working in this Trust.

CriticalCondition · 31/10/2025 14:32

SC's hopes of pushing off early are going up in smoke.

AutumnalCrows · 31/10/2025 14:33

thewaythatyoudoit · 31/10/2025 13:49

You should be giving evidence, you'd do a better job

And modern professorship waiting.

EmmyFr · 31/10/2025 14:35

"They said that in all other ways Rose Henderson was presenting as a woman, and mentioned her name, outer clothing, pronouns, hairstyle. "

So womanhood is defined by name, outer clothing, pronouns and hairstyle.

Meaning if I'm called Claude (works both sexes in French), wear trousers, have short hair and get called "him" (All of which except for Claude have happened) I'm a man (my having borne 3 babies is apparently irrelevant)
Tell me again how this isn't regressive as f**.

Lunde · 31/10/2025 14:35

CriticalCondition · 31/10/2025 14:32

SC's hopes of pushing off early are going up in smoke.

No early drinks then 🍷🍸🍺🍹

AuthorisedCat · 31/10/2025 14:35

I might be being a bit personal, but she has the whiff of a Dicken's character about her.

AuthorisedCat · 31/10/2025 14:35

Dickens'

nauticant · 31/10/2025 14:37

She is a blood-out-of-a-stone witness.

CriticalCondition · 31/10/2025 14:38

What??!!

CriticalCondition · 31/10/2025 14:39

She's going to run into Monday at this rate.

Mazzer1234 · 31/10/2025 14:40

nauticant · 31/10/2025 14:37

She is a blood-out-of-a-stone witness.

Totally. Clearly obstructive. Not doing the Trust's case any good IMO.

CriticalCondition · 31/10/2025 14:40

Cripes.

AuthorisedCat · 31/10/2025 14:42

I would give anything to be looking at the claimant's faces for some of these respondent's witnesses performances.

ILikeDungs · 31/10/2025 14:43

Well if it's written down...then yes Later, same question: You're asking if I did it? Then no.

This witness is painful. Unhelpful for both sides. I need a drink and it's not tea.

narniabusiness · 31/10/2025 14:44

If there is anyone who is able to post the TT it would be greatly appreciated.

MarieDeGournay · 31/10/2025 14:44

TW Not everyone understands transgender issues. U will always get rumblings. It's a really busy dept running 14 OTs

Sounds like those grumblers need educating, doesn't it?

AuthorisedCat · 31/10/2025 14:44

How, oh how, do these people function in real life?

SelfPortraitWithHagstone · 31/10/2025 14:45

ILikeDungs · 31/10/2025 14:43

Well if it's written down...then yes Later, same question: You're asking if I did it? Then no.

This witness is painful. Unhelpful for both sides. I need a drink and it's not tea.

I keep expecting her to call NF "young man".

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 31/10/2025 14:45

narniabusiness · 31/10/2025 14:44

If there is anyone who is able to post the TT it would be greatly appreciated.

https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets/status/1984269590411755684#m

Not quite the same, I realise, but maybe better than nowt…

Coatsoff42 · 31/10/2025 14:45

its not a complaint, it’s a grumble. Totally different.

MarieDeGournay · 31/10/2025 14:45

narniabusiness · 31/10/2025 14:44

If there is anyone who is able to post the TT it would be greatly appreciated.

I'll do a bit, not able to do all afternoon.

last 3:
W Not everyone understands transgender issues. U will always het rumblings. It's a really busy dept running 14 OTs. NF In 2021-2 were rumblings? TW No recollection. Jody mentioned but I dont remember NF Do u recall ? Shields Yes, but no awareness of complaints
Oct 31, 2025 · 2:41 PM UTC
Tribunal Tweets

@tribunaltweets
1m
TW No recollections of the anaesthetist XX or her husband NF U had a mtg w Miss Watson, Beckett and JR on 20 Sept 23 on Teams to discuss Cx and issues re sharing the F CR w Rose Yes NF It was explained to Miss Bailey and others that Rose had apparently stopped hormones
Tribunal Tweets

@tribunaltweets
14s
TW There were rumbles about this. In my mind transitioning meant medically and I wasnt aware of RH taking hormones or not NF JB has said that RH had publicly said had stopped hormones TW No-one knew if this was true, but we didnt know

NebulousSupportPostcard · 31/10/2025 14:45

It is great to watch. She lowered her voice and almost mouthed 'transgender' just now when lamenting that some people bring rumbles because they don't understand TRANSGENDER

(delayed not live post)

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 31/10/2025 14:46

MarieDeGournay · 31/10/2025 14:44

TW Not everyone understands transgender issues. U will always get rumblings. It's a really busy dept running 14 OTs

Sounds like those grumblers need educating, doesn't it?

I bet she doesn’t use the changing room.

weegielass · 31/10/2025 14:46

playing catch up, did this Tracy person just say a TiF is happy to keep using the F changing room but a TiM doesn't want to keep using the males? Funny that, eh?

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