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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Always been GC, but now afraid I'm becoming transphobic

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HouseOfGuineaPigs · 30/09/2025 23:07

I've always been gender critical and 100% in support of safe spaces for natal women only. I'm completely comfortable with being gender critical. But I'm concerned I've crossed a line into becoming a full on bigot, which is something I don't want to be. Due to my own background of mental health and trauma issues I follow pages on this issue on Facebook. I just saw one with a graphic post saying Using Preferred Pronouns Is Suicide Prevention and it made me want to scream and throw things.

I've been suicidal, I've attempted. I've battled see harm and self destructive behaviours since childhood. I should be sympathetic about the struggles people are having . But I feel manipulated seeing posts like that one. I use preferred names when I'm addressing trans persons. I am kind to them, I don't mention their issues. I treat them the same as anyone else. I will call a bloke Sue even if his real name is Bob, it feels odd, but I will do it to be respectful . But calling a he a she is a step too far. I would either use their name or use they.

Why do I feel so strongly that I'm being manipulated ? None of the trans people I know have abused me in any way. They haven't infringed on my boundaries . I have 2 trans friends, another who is non binary and 2 acquaintances. They have all been decent .

I just feel resentful that I'm being made to feel responsible for someone not taking their life because I don't affirm their identity ?

I'm horrible aren't I ? Please sort my head out !

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Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:01

Greyskybluesky · 02/10/2025 12:53

I would read the clarifications under that article if I were you.

Particularly this one:
A comprehensive study report detailing the data source and methodology is published on the Fair Play For Women website. All our claims are verifiable, open for professional peer review and made in good faith.

Yep & this bit:

This study is the most reliable and up-to-date evidence available and the Government has acknowledged this data is not held by them.

So where did they get their data then?

NeonFish · 02/10/2025 13:03

Greyskybluesky · 02/10/2025 13:00

It's women

The cis word is not required

True. I just don't understand why he is SHOUTING the 'cis' part. I can imagine him going around literally shouting CIS! and then saying women normally. Very funny image.

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:04

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 12:53

Woah. I said trans women aren't the same as CIS women. They are still are 'women' in a social categorical sense & depending on the how the particular jurisdiction feels about spaces it's up to them.

We in Australia don't give 'cause if we did it would be an electoral issue which it isn't & probably because most people's experience is not to consider them threatening. We also don't have a top down full blown moral panic drowning us in agit prop 24/7.

Not female people though.

And single sex provisions are sex based. That you cannot accept this must be distressing, but it is true.

And it took several elections after women started talking about this issue publicly for it to be considered a significant issue by the government of the day. We understand this, it will take another cycle without a doubt.

Do you realise that 'moral panic' can be considered a dog whistle? Isn't that interesting that when your arguments are shown to be based on nothing but emotional manipulation, you resort to using such terms.

Greyskybluesky · 02/10/2025 13:07

NeonFish · 02/10/2025 13:03

True. I just don't understand why he is SHOUTING the 'cis' part. I can imagine him going around literally shouting CIS! and then saying women normally. Very funny image.

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Ha ha, yes. Carry on, Howse! You do our work for us!

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:07

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:01

Yep & this bit:

This study is the most reliable and up-to-date evidence available and the Government has acknowledged this data is not held by them.

So where did they get their data then?

You have posted an article from

2017!

Where did the women get the data then? From public records held on each individual.

But do you understand?

The MOJ now provides the segregated data with further information about the type of crime committed!

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:09

Shall we just keep repeating that:

You have posted an article from

2017!

The MOJ now provides the segregated data with further information about the type of crime committed!

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:09

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:07

You have posted an article from

2017!

Where did the women get the data then? From public records held on each individual.

But do you understand?

The MOJ now provides the segregated data with further information about the type of crime committed!

They were unable to confirm their numbers with prison figures.

But please do point to those numbers after 2017.

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:12

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:09

They were unable to confirm their numbers with prison figures.

But please do point to those numbers after 2017.

Easy. I and others have posted the data to you for weeks.

Remember.... you thought that Allslop and Gellman had great ideas that dismissed the data.

Although I imagine it is hard to remember/work out what the other Howsa posted sometimes I am sure.

Guytheskiinstructor · 02/10/2025 13:12

Oh @Howseitgoin you are in such a muddle!

Is there no chance you could just accept that it’s fine for men to wear make up and dresses and act as feminine they like if that feels right for them but that doesn’t make them women?

Because that’s the way to dignity and diversity and equality. And happiness. For everyone!

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:14

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:12

Easy. I and others have posted the data to you for weeks.

Remember.... you thought that Allslop and Gellman had great ideas that dismissed the data.

Although I imagine it is hard to remember/work out what the other Howsa posted sometimes I am sure.

C'mon let's see it. And make sure it includes sex offences! Cause petty crime don't count.

Greyskybluesky · 02/10/2025 13:14

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:01

Yep & this bit:

This study is the most reliable and up-to-date evidence available and the Government has acknowledged this data is not held by them.

So where did they get their data then?

If I may be permitted to quote your own words back at you:

"Read the full research if you want to know"

and

"I'm not here to wipe your bum for you…"

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:16

Greyskybluesky · 02/10/2025 13:14

If I may be permitted to quote your own words back at you:

"Read the full research if you want to know"

and

"I'm not here to wipe your bum for you…"

Unless the 'research' can be confirmed by the prison data it's useless.

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:16

Greyskybluesky · 02/10/2025 13:14

If I may be permitted to quote your own words back at you:

"Read the full research if you want to know"

and

"I'm not here to wipe your bum for you…"

This is hilarious.

The entirety of their first two weeks on this site was them telling us that the MOJ figures were wrong, that they were to be dismissed and that they had all these reasons why we should not be taking any notice of them.

It is like those weeks were a complete blank.

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:17

Maybe you need to keep a diary called 'What Howsa has dismissed on MN'!

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:25

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:16

Unless the 'research' can be confirmed by the prison data it's useless.

Since "I'm not here to wipe your bum for you…" perhaps you should fucking go and find it yourself. We have told you where to go look.

Here is a clue.

Look at the threads you were on that you, personally, dismissed the data and spent at least a week of your time discrediting it.

Unlike the 'BIMODAL SEX MODEL' and the Cheung research on male athletes with puberty blocked, and the list of stereotyped personality traits that can be used to categorise female people, the MOJ stats do indeed exist.

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:27

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:25

Since "I'm not here to wipe your bum for you…" perhaps you should fucking go and find it yourself. We have told you where to go look.

Here is a clue.

Look at the threads you were on that you, personally, dismissed the data and spent at least a week of your time discrediting it.

Unlike the 'BIMODAL SEX MODEL' and the Cheung research on male athletes with puberty blocked, and the list of stereotyped personality traits that can be used to categorise female people, the MOJ stats do indeed exist.

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AI Overview

"There are no reliable statistics on how many trans people are violent criminals in the UK because data is not consistently collected in this way"

😂

SHOW ME THE DATA….

Namelessnelly · 02/10/2025 13:28

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:27

AI Overview

"There are no reliable statistics on how many trans people are violent criminals in the UK because data is not consistently collected in this way"

😂

SHOW ME THE DATA….

No. You go find it. In the words of the TRA…. Educate yourself. And don’t forget to put your socks on the wash and pick up all the tissues you’ve dropped. I’d open a window too. Let some fresh air in. #lifetips

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:29

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:27

AI Overview

"There are no reliable statistics on how many trans people are violent criminals in the UK because data is not consistently collected in this way"

😂

SHOW ME THE DATA….

"I'm not here to wipe your bum for you…"

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:29

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:27

AI Overview

"There are no reliable statistics on how many trans people are violent criminals in the UK because data is not consistently collected in this way"

😂

SHOW ME THE DATA….

We understand that you rely on AI, but you really really shouldn't.

Namelessnelly · 02/10/2025 13:31

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:29

We understand that you rely on AI, but you really really shouldn't.

To be fair…. I think AI is the only friend some. Posters have.

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:31

Oh... hang on.

Am I not performing stereotypical super feminity today?

gosh... I must be a male person then.

Namelessnelly · 02/10/2025 13:33

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:31

Oh... hang on.

Am I not performing stereotypical super feminity today?

gosh... I must be a male person then.

I am being very feminine. I’m giving lovely life tips and helping clean the world one basement at a time. #spinnyskirt

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:34

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:31

Oh... hang on.

Am I not performing stereotypical super feminity today?

gosh... I must be a male person then.

You want me to look up data that doesn't exist? 😂

Howseitgoin · 02/10/2025 13:36

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:29

We understand that you rely on AI, but you really really shouldn't.

The 'Fair' Play For Women charlatans must of been on the blower to god I suppose….

Helleofabore · 02/10/2025 13:36

You COULD be acting very feminine like... if only we had that list of stereotypical female personality traits so we could assess you?

I reckon I must be having a very manly day. If we had that list of personality traits, I reckon we could crack this and declare our sex each day on MN.