Always been GC, but now afraid I'm becoming transphobic

[HouseOfGuineaPigs]

I've always been gender critical and 100% in support of safe spaces for natal women only. I'm completely comfortable with being gender critical. But I'm concerned I've crossed a line into becoming a full on bigot, which is something I don't want to be. Due to my own background of mental health and trauma issues I follow pages on this issue on Facebook. I just saw one with a graphic post saying Using Preferred Pronouns Is Suicide Prevention and it made me want to scream and throw things.

I've been suicidal, I've attempted. I've battled see harm and self destructive behaviours since childhood. I should be sympathetic about the struggles people are having . But I feel manipulated seeing posts like that one. I use preferred names when I'm addressing trans persons. I am kind to them, I don't mention their issues. I treat them the same as anyone else. I will call a bloke Sue even if his real name is Bob, it feels odd, but I will do it to be respectful . But calling a he a she is a step too far. I would either use their name or use they.

Why do I feel so strongly that I'm being manipulated ? None of the trans people I know have abused me in any way. They haven't infringed on my boundaries . I have 2 trans friends, another who is non binary and 2 acquaintances. They have all been decent .

I just feel resentful that I'm being made to feel responsible for someone not taking their life because I don't affirm their identity ?

I'm horrible aren't I ? Please sort my head out !

For those wanting an archive link to what has been linked.

https://archive.is/cxC7T

Many posters have told you to stop relying on AI generated searches and google. I believe you pulled this from the same standard of research as you have frequently shown previously.

I asked you to stop spreading misinformation and you posted this shit. It really shows you just how poorly informed you are on these topics that you present yourself as having knowledge on.

OP has had yet another daily demonstration on just how manipulative those arguing that male people should be accessing female single sex provisions can be.

“That you wilfully minimise severe mental health distress tells us exactly how much you really care about children or what they have to live with for the rest of their lives.”

Nobody who posts regularly on this board wilfully minimises the severe mental health distress of children. Nobody!

Do you actually understand why there are so many of us who have read the fucking research and have taken the fucking time to keep up to date about this very topic you have decided you are knowledgeable in? Many of us do it because of the severe mental distress of our own children.

Many of us have been keeping up to date with the research for years now. We read it. We keep reading it. It is not us who does a quick google search to justify our posts. That would be you!

@Howseitgoin

You've obviously given this some thought, so I'd be interested in your view on this question: given that PBs have terrible side effects (even when used on-label), why would it not be more ethical, and safer, for all boys who exhibit a stable female gender identity in childhood to undergo gonadectomy/œstrogen therapy/vaginoplasty before male puberty takes effect (as sometimes happens with PAIS and 5-ARD subjects in the same situation)? PBs are achieving nothing but harm, given virtually all the subjects on them progress to medical transition anyway.

Can you think of any downsides? If not, why are TRAs not lobbying for the above approach?

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“As far as sterilty goes, it's not a zero sum game. Individual values vary where some people may value their mental health more than their fertilty & be prepared to risk some poorer health outcomes to maintain their sanity & fit into society better because when they don't are socially ostracised as freaks”

These are CHILDREN!

Children are being subject to experimental medical treatments where these children are being asked to make decisions about their long term future with absolutely no understanding of what they are being asked to give up. Even male clinicians who declare they are trans gender themselves are raising alarms about these treatments.

This is the area where the TRA activists out themselves most.

If people genuinely cared about trans identifying children, they would want the best possible, evidenced care. They would be hyper conscious of long term consequences. They would be very worried about the limit of consent and what is possible and appropriate.

But the TRAs don't care about any of this. They're just 'give them the drugs'. Clearly, what is motivating them is something quite different.

Apparently though… bone density and connective tissues issues are just a minor side effect.

Yet, how often is it explained to these children that in a decade or two they might end up in a wheelchair or permanently using a crutch?

The women who used Lupron due to precocious puberty, in treatment for endometriosis, cancer or other issues keep finding out that they share debilitating pain. I have a friend who does. And her teeth fall out and she has severe pancreatitis. None of her doctors know why and because they are NHS, none have the time or inclination to trace why. Because all they can do is treat the now and the future. All commonly reported after a decade or two of stopping treatment.

And all dismissed with a ‘some bone density’ issues and don’t worry, we can treat those. Again with no evidence that the ‘treatments’ for bone density etc will work long term. Or even be traced.

Once again I’m grateful to the intelligent, informed women here who tirelessly argue using facts and trustworthy clinical data.

The lack of any actual quality evidence from the other side is telling. As is their silence on the studies produced that show discernible harm and little/no benefit to the majority of children experiencing gender distress.

The trans community do not prioritise the well-being of children otherwise they’d taken clinical research seriously. They just want to be right, regardless of the consequences for children.

It’s pigeon chess. I am so done with trying to have a logical discussion when they use bad faith arguments and resort to chucking around hyperbole while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge any genuine clinical data.

Transacitvists post some pretty vile stuff on here at times. But Howie's "As sterility goes, it's not a zero sum game" and "puberty isn't a natural phenomena" is redolent of a very Victorian / abusive belief in eugenics. There's a long history of subjecting marginalised girls and women to forced sterilisation and seeking to gaslight children too young to navigate the complexities of the belief in "sex change", is openly abusive.

I presume this seething, emotional incontinence is born of frustration that in our democratic society, we place great store on ethical medical practice and notions of competence / consent in relation to life changing decisions. Especially for children.

Shocking to see anyone arguing for the sterilisation of children on here.

I remember we had one extreme transgender activist on a thread who proudly told us that there was no shame in a child becoming an asexual adult. Like children understood the issue they were agreeing with.

It was even a trans activist argument in a court case from a barrister, IIRC was Keira Bell case.

Perhaps @Howseitgoin could point to some evidence that people who are sterilised and have their sexual function removed as children have better mental health in adulthood than those who don't.

Dismantling child safeguarding is the ultimate Mens Rights Activism.

But important that these people are allowed to demonstrate their attitudes to children and safeguarding them in their own words. Sunlight and all that.

None of the posters who come here and claim we are transphobes ever give a fuck about my mental distress do they? I’m told it’s not my consent that matters, it’s his inclination that’s important and that I am a fucking Pickachu moment.

I would genuinely be interested in a debate with some of the TRAs that post here about how to square the circle of women’s single sex spaces and what the trans individuals want.

But unless I capitulate complete and say I allow men in women’s single sec spaces because that’s how they feel, none of them want to talk about it.

Yes, they really knew their son. He showed no distress at being male as a child, or as a teen. As a young man he didn't conform to gender stereotypes or to much else that society expects, which was fine. Only when the zeitgeist turned sexist and told him that his behaviour meant he couldn't really be male did he start thinking that he needed to change his name and that everyone else should pretend that he is in some way a woman.

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My friend has quite a few of the Lupron side effects - 20 years on. She doesn’t expect to recover.

And you claim some degree of expertise in statistics. May I suggest not extrapolating from those who post on FWR to most MNetters? Or even extrapolating from the subset of comments you have read and deem to be "puerile" to the views of most MNetters.

Given you own condescending but largely content-free posts on this thread, you've a cheek.

Sadly PP is another great liberal organisation that has been touched by the GI craziness. This ruinous belief system initiated by grown men has negatively impacted so many great organisations and in turn damaged so many young lives.

I’m wholly transphobic- it’s the most reasonable response to the behaviour I’ve experienced in the last decade.

This is why I'm now seeing some of the most vocal TRAs as people who regard themselves as the chosen leaders of a new world order, and the promotion of transgenderism, and the destruction of families and of interpersonal trust, as essential to provide the scorched earth their bright future can grow on.

Motivated by a wish for power, and a belief in their own superiority, rather than by sex. They will use and manipulate the sex urges of other, but they keep themselves above it.

Cynical.

I have been thinking this for a while now.

When we have academics on MN so heavily invested in spinning gender identity to be theoretically acceptable yet completely unable to be find a suitable solution, it becomes completely empty statements. It is like some activists will use us as trial audiences for the latest spin.

It is a form of wheedling to find just the right message that convinces as many people as with that argument. The manipulation is obvious because there is no truth behind it. It is built on concepts that have not worked and are falling apart fast.

I suspect that there is now an element of desperation to find a way to prop up the house of cards that is falling apart. Hence the constant stream of dishonest tactics and misinformation.