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Alicealig · 19/09/2025 10:40

Chaosclassic · 19/09/2025 10:31

I went down a rabbit hole with this. It is wild. At the end of it I honestly wouldn’t bet my house either way. It is quite a weird story. And that she’s potentially not a she is the least weird thing about it. Very strange.

Indeed. Unless anyone has looked into the facts it's difficult to comment, but the truth is there tto see.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 10:50

WTAF is this thread?

have these loons been living in the woodwork all this time?

<glances around anxiously>

Maddy70 · 19/09/2025 10:56

She's called her bluff. This explains s going to cost millions good.

JustineRobots · 19/09/2025 10:57

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 09:29

This, who wouldn't. Having looked at the almost irrefutable evidence I don't expect anything of any substance to be brought into court by the Macrons. The investigation into this has been long and thorough.

Whatever your views on the age gap I think it's safe to say that Frances first lady is indeed a man.

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It really isn’t safe to say that 😆😆😆

peanutbuttertoasty · 19/09/2025 10:59

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 10:12

It does feel a bit like the Olympic situation all over again doesn’t it. All the drama over passports, birth certificates, childhood photos, warnings of genital inspections, accusations of judging women on their looks or levels of femininity.

Just do the f-ing cheek swab!

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Definitely a good way to add fuel to the fire rather than putting the issue to bed.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:01

And even if BM is a man (she isn’t), so what?

Chaosclassic · 19/09/2025 11:05

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 10:40

Indeed. Unless anyone has looked into the facts it's difficult to comment, but the truth is there tto see.

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It would actually turn something pretty wild into a relatively mundane and explainable story.

Because if she’s not a man; my question list grows exponentially.

But life is wild. Certainly for the French 😂 So it could easily be she is a woman and that’s a can of worms in itself.

logiccalls · 19/09/2025 11:09

Wouldn't a cheek swab show xx chromosomes? Wouldn't her children show her DNA? (Not read the thread, just astonished)

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:09

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 10:50

WTAF is this thread?

have these loons been living in the woodwork all this time?

<glances around anxiously>

It's absolutely compulsive viewing, isn't it? Incredible. People have lost all bearings and grounding in reality.

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:10

Chaosclassic · 19/09/2025 11:05

It would actually turn something pretty wild into a relatively mundane and explainable story.

Because if she’s not a man; my question list grows exponentially.

But life is wild. Certainly for the French 😂 So it could easily be she is a woman and that’s a can of worms in itself.

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How? We already know about the (likely) teen grooming story, which has been a story that's been out there for many years now, so that's not really a new "can of worms" at all.

In what way is BM being a woman (which she obviously is) a "can of worms"?

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 11:10

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 10:50

WTAF is this thread?

have these loons been living in the woodwork all this time?

<glances around anxiously>

Indeed it may be tempting to choose to believe that if this isn't something you've glanced at. However shocking it obviously is for you, and I agree, it is quite a lot to ingest, there can be no question about the lengths he's gone to to cover up his identity. Personally I'm not one for conspiracy theories. I'm only interested in the facts, and in this case they do actually speak for themselves.

TheignT · 19/09/2025 11:11

2021x · 19/09/2025 03:39

No woman is worried about proving their womanhood- its literally a cheekswab.

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Speak for yourself. I've given birth to four children, well one was a CS, I've got the CS scars, the episiotomy scars. Anyone wants me to prove I'm a woman can fuck off.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:11

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 11:10

Indeed it may be tempting to choose to believe that if this isn't something you've glanced at. However shocking it obviously is for you, and I agree, it is quite a lot to ingest, there can be no question about the lengths he's gone to to cover up his identity. Personally I'm not one for conspiracy theories. I'm only interested in the facts, and in this case they do actually speak for themselves.

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Well not so far given that you haven’t actually provided any facts

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:12

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 11:10

Indeed it may be tempting to choose to believe that if this isn't something you've glanced at. However shocking it obviously is for you, and I agree, it is quite a lot to ingest, there can be no question about the lengths he's gone to to cover up his identity. Personally I'm not one for conspiracy theories. I'm only interested in the facts, and in this case they do actually speak for themselves.

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"I'm not one for conspiracy theories".

😂

Course not. Yes, the facts will speak for themselves when what we all know and can very obviously see because we're not cognitively impaired still turns out to be the case.

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 11:14

Including rare photo evidence although this is not by far the most compelling of all the evidence uncovered

Macrons to offer 'scientific' court evidence to prove Brigitte is a woman, lawyer says
BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:15

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:10

How? We already know about the (likely) teen grooming story, which has been a story that's been out there for many years now, so that's not really a new "can of worms" at all.

In what way is BM being a woman (which she obviously is) a "can of worms"?

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yeah, I mean I think most people put her past behaviour in the ‘well dodgy’ category.

but this is not new information

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:16

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 10:00

But the " really a man" conspiracies seem to be rooted in gender stereotypes about how women should and shouldn't behave ( Macron), and how they should or shouldn't look ( Obama)

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And that is exactly what they would be saying now about Khelif & co if their medical information hadn’t been leaked by the IBA. We would now be in this exact situation where accusations of conspiracy theories and judging women on their looks and behaviour would be being made.

Funnily enough the Khelif did threaten to sue JKR and then didn’t presumably because he knows full well that he’s a man.

Brigitte finds herself in the same situation as Khelif. If she wants to prove that she is female there is a very simple way for her to do this IF she actually is female.

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:17

Howseitgoin · 19/09/2025 10:05

Things you can't tell:

CIS women getting dragged because of a moral panic in name only for feminism….

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What on earth does this sentence mean?

There's no such thing as "cis" for a start. We don't follow that particular religion here on FWS. Other than that, your sentence makes zero sense, sorry. What are you attempting to say exactly?

happydappy2 · 19/09/2025 11:17

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:01

And even if BM is a man (she isn’t), so what?

If BM is in fact male-they need to answer why woman face is acceptable when black face isn't.

YourLemonTiger · 19/09/2025 11:18

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 09:40

Personally I think the accusations of high profile women being men are linked to the breakdown of trust in societies that allow men to pretend to be women, allow them to keep that fact a secret and harshly sanction those who object.

As I already posted up thread we have just experienced 2 men competing in the female boxing competition at the Olympics with numerous officials lying through their teeth that they are female. The ONLY reason we knew about this is because of testing information released by the Russian boxing organisation IBA. If the IBA hadn’t provided that information we would have had to rely on appearance which would have lead to accusations of judging women on “Western beauty standards” or their level of femininity.

We are being lied to by governments, and all of our institutions. The police are recording rapists as women and the press are reporting this without question. When the media reports a murder by a woman now I am always suspicious that they are being truthful.

we ALL know this is happening. So it shouldn’t come as too much of a surprise when people start pointing the finger at famous or high profile women and claim that they are men. This breakdown of trust is what happens when those who govern us lie. The Macrons and the Obamas are complicit in allowing this state of affairs to continue and I can’t bring myself to have very much sympathy tbh.

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Those are all very good points

Shortshriftandlethal · 19/09/2025 11:18

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:16

And that is exactly what they would be saying now about Khelif & co if their medical information hadn’t been leaked by the IBA. We would now be in this exact situation where accusations of conspiracy theories and judging women on their looks and behaviour would be being made.

Funnily enough the Khelif did threaten to sue JKR and then didn’t presumably because he knows full well that he’s a man.

Brigitte finds herself in the same situation as Khelif. If she wants to prove that she is female there is a very simple way for her to do this IF she actually is female.

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The obvious difference being that Imane khelif has been competing in a highly dangerous contact sport against female opponents, whereas Brigiite Macron's sex has got nothing to do with anyone else, nor does it have any negative impact upon them.

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/09/2025 11:18

Bideo · 18/09/2025 14:45

Whats the alternative if you don't want men in women's spaces?

All the women at the current Athletics championships have had to prove their sex. And that's good.

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Is Madame Macron competing in athletics championships these days?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/09/2025 11:19

Alicealig · 19/09/2025 11:14

Including rare photo evidence although this is not by far the most compelling of all the evidence uncovered

‘Rare photo evidence’

🤣🤣🤣

right you are

god i hope you’re having a laugh with this or you’re a Russian employee intent on destabilising the west. I actually feel that would be preferable to you genuinely thinking that is ‘evidence’

hihelenhi · 19/09/2025 11:19

Signalbox · 19/09/2025 11:16

And that is exactly what they would be saying now about Khelif & co if their medical information hadn’t been leaked by the IBA. We would now be in this exact situation where accusations of conspiracy theories and judging women on their looks and behaviour would be being made.

Funnily enough the Khelif did threaten to sue JKR and then didn’t presumably because he knows full well that he’s a man.

Brigitte finds herself in the same situation as Khelif. If she wants to prove that she is female there is a very simple way for her to do this IF she actually is female.

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Except Khelif is obviously male and BM is obviously female. It's not to do with stereotypes of "femininity". You seem very confused.

Do you really not understand human perception and how sex perception is one of the first things we learn? It's quite outside of hairstyles and clothes too (as the many replicated pieces of research would tell you).