NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #51

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:
drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 50: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5387893-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-50 7 August 2025 to 1 September 2025

Hi NotNatacha, thanks for this offer. Just tried DM'ing you but got "selected username not valid" when I typed your handle?

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There's wheat in a snowball? Where?

Me too @NotNatacha ?

The biscuit base?

I didn't get a new registration when I married and changed the surname I used professionally.

I think I missed your joke!

There is no biscuit base in a snowball, that's a Tunnocks teacake (also delicious but different).

It wasn't a joke, genuine question.

at Twitter - Own goal from The NoDeadNamingItMakesMeSad Team! (Had to include footie ref for deadline day!)

More seriously as someone gender critical with a very clearly Jewish last name, I am very used to it being mangled deliberately (and strangely brought up completely irrelevantly) in conversations, as a passive aggressive technique. I’ve also been the recipient of unwanted bodily fluids. I don’t wear scrubs or even work for the NHS just to be clear, this is in public places like walking down the street. Not so passive with the aggression there.

So complaining about poor hurty feelings from just hearing your own fucking name…yeah, my sympathy is none existent. I’m also not changing my name as I’m not a fucking coward.

Strikes me that JR's strategy is to repeat all the selectively emotive and legally wonky shtick that she wheeled out in the tribunal proper, but r e a l l y s l o w l y
so it becomes magically true.

Are you thinking the marshmallow covered in desiccated coconut type snowball?

Tunnocks ones are biscuit base with marshmallow and everything covered in chocolate

Edit: Just realised you'd answered, you're right they're teacakes. I'm a Tunnocks caramel wafer eater, I don't really like the teacakes - I guess that leaves more teacakes for @Boiledbeetle , if her stash of wafers looks a little light it's coz I've been a bit snacky... sorry Boiledbeetle😅

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Striesand effect happening on X with hewhoshallnotbenamed

Tunnocks tea cakes: marshmallow covered in chocolate with a biscuit base

Tunnocks snowball: marshmallow covered in chocolate and desiccated coconut

Isn't it usual for counsel for the parties to make their written submissions in open court available? By submitting them aren't they entering them into the public record? Can they be obtained from the court if not the parties?

To limit access to the court and the other parties surely (a) goes against the principle of open justice and (b) suggests a reluctance to broadcast the submissions and/or a lack of confidence in them.

Although I can see why JR might not want her submissions to be available in black and white for scrutiny by all, isn't it odd for a KC, presumably with some professional pride (however misplaced), not to put them out there?

And given that NC has, it's not a good look.

No idea what's going on there. I've just send you a message which you may be able to reply to.

Yes, although I thought ones with a biscuit base were called teacakes? Didn't realise Tunnocks actually did snowballs. Really fancy either or both now.

I'm sorry this has happened to you. Appalling.

I've sent you a PM.

That is the power of Tunnocks.

Yes, me too @SmugYetSadTimes that's awful!

There should not be wheat in a Snowball, but in Tunnocks ones there is.

Note also that "Sugar" is both the first and the fifth-from-last ingredient.

Thank you v much @murasakiand @CohensDiamondTeeth sorry I mean

Co…<very long pause>…Hens Diamond Tooth

Do we know what time Michael Foran will be doing his Substack commentary this evening? I've had a look and can't see anything. Though I do admit I find SS weird to navigate my way around, so it's probably me.