NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #51

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:
drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 50: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5387893-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-50 7 August 2025 to 1 September 2025

Oh ditto

NC just suggested this to JR. 😂

Naomi in the end couldn't resist making the same point :-)

Tomorrow? Is there a time we should aim for?

She's done more whinging than anything else in this tribunal 🙄

JR During the War

From TT

We resume.

JR - I've given you some more paper, a short article on FWS by Prof Norrie.

NC - 2 matters; CE and I are both melting, can we turn down the heat and take our jackets off?

J - I've asked on the heat and yes of course take your jackets off.

NC - we have redacted the document but are waiting for the Rs to confirm they are happy.

JR - AW has not yet reviewed them,

NC - this is unacceptable, we were asked to redact 3 words. The Art 10 rights of the C, the press are being impinged by this delay.

JR in the late 1940s.....

ETA I shit you not!

WTF is JR on??

How cringe worthy is JR!

😂

I love her!

Horsey aphorism time painfully and slowly enunciatated by JR.

I honestly don't think I can take a whole afternoon of her gaslighting.

JR has three hours which will take us into the morning because court closes at 4pm.

Closing submissions earliest will be 1115, is my guess.

Eau de desperation.

OH god JR is enunciating so slowly.

It can only be maintained and enforced with bullying. Reason doesn't work. You can't support a delusional belief with reasoned argument, and that in my submission is the simple, economic, elegant explanation for why you've seen that the claimant was subjected to the vicious heresy hunt that was the result of her refusal to undress in a room with a man.

This is just such a perfect encapsulation of the crux of the whole issue. Well played Naomi.

All adherents and allies of GI this is what they are demanding - unconsenting women and girls must remove their clothes in front of any man or boy who says so.

And they say this isn't an incel led/MRA movement? Pull the other one it's got bells on it.

Why does JR speak so slowly

JR going v e r y s l o w.

JR one couldn't possibly know DU's birth sex if it were not for the deadnaming

DU psst it is I, LeClerc

JR is horrible to listen to.

Maybe her batteries need replacing

Note the contrast between NC and JR.

JR is talking in riddles and is appealing to things that are outside of the case and don't really engage with it.

Maybe she really is melting.

From TT

J - can this be done now.

<JR/LB/AW huddle to review the document on LB's laptop>

NC - a soft copy should make it easy, search for the offending word....

JR - we're doing that now.

<LB/AW conferring>

JR - we are content with redactions.

NC - today's speaking note, the skeleton argument and our closing submissions will now be released to any who want them.

JR - Theodore Woodward - gave instruction to med students 'when you hear hoofbeats think of horses not zebras'

The C describes herself as a realist about sex. A careful exam of her case exposes a striking level of unreality. There are a number of inconvenient truths. The first during the xmas eve encounter, the C went off piste. The 2nd despite a doc search that could rival a roving public inquiry, the C has been unable to

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