NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #51

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:
drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 50: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5387893-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-50 7 August 2025 to 1 September 2025

One of panel member's hands has gone to sleep. She keeps shaking it.

Oh, they've finished. Did I detect an unusually rapid rising there?

And that’s me done till the morning.

herald appears to have given up on JR's incomprehensible waffle.
3:59pm
The tribunal has adjourned for the day. Ms Russell says she will continue her closing submissions tomorrow about "inferences, international jurisprudence, courses of action."

Show off 😂😘

TT's Final afternoon tweets

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1962517057091625367.html

Sorry

Thank feck that's over, for today at least.

I expect closing submissions to have some pizazz.

To sum up this afternoon via the medium of interpretive dance

🩰 The Respondents

unfolds in a cavernous courtroom set, where one woman barrister performs a slow, repetitive arm gesture—each movement a syllable of her droning monologue. Her feet shuffle in legalese spirals, never breaking rhythm.

Behind her, the judge slumps in his chair, eyelids descending like velvet curtains. The opposing barrister curls into a fetal pirouette, while the gallery melts into dreamlike tableaux—snoring in synchrony, heads nodding like metronomes.

The climax is silence: her final gesture, a limp wrist drop, echoed by the soft thud of a gavel falling from the judge’s sleeping hand. Curtain.

JR I shall address tomorrow re inferences, international jurisprudence and concluding remarks.

You've been warned...
Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Do we read anything into JR's new, girly hair style today? (apologies if it was mentioned upthread)

Now that's just rubbing it in, Boiled. I can't even manage to write bigly. 😫

I misread that as pizza, which might be needed during JRs.

Like this?

Those are a lot of syllables for someone who isn't saying very much.

Does NC get to say more tomorrow or is it just JR?

I think I agree with JR's submission that the panel doesn't need to decide whether it's a correct belief that sex is binary. No decision to be made. The law (including the Equality Act and those 1992 workplace regs) is very, very clear that it is.

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

Thanks to all, especially @nauticant for the threads, @MyrtleLion and @Chariothorses for the c&p TT tweets and Herald, and of course @Justabaker and the TT team!

Thank you Myrtle, hope it wasn't too tiring!

After JR has finished there will be questions from the panel so we may hear more from NC.

If at first you don't succeed... 😁😁

Thank you for giving us something to live for😬

Avoiding the clever formatting show offs, do we get to read the submissions by the various parties who are intervening? Can anyone point me towards them please?

No mushrooms (thank-goodness) or caterpillars but letters that randomly get bigger and smaller.

I'm waiting for the cakes that say 'eat me' and the drinks that say 'drink me'.

The trans-debate has always felt a bit 'Alice in wonderland/through-the-looking-glass' to me.

So much education on one thread. It really is the first day of school for some of us :)