NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #51

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:
drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 50: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5387893-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-50 7 August 2025 to 1 September 2025

From TT

With more time to address it, and was only for a short time. C says that something is missing from documentation- but there is not a smoking gun. Safety allegations: C says that DU has this made up to have C removed, but DU has strenuously denied this.

Who knows!

When this is all over, I want to know how you do all this BIG BOLD FONT.

I think she means it was on DU’s account and the NNC Code of Practice.

Exactly. JR is just waving away the fact that DrU's version was taken as 100% the truth before SP was asked what happened.
So JR's earlier point that it was SP's behaviour in the CR, not her beliefs which caused the problem is invalid as a defence, given that they did not have an objective version of what SP's behaviour actually was.

I just shout at my tablet whilst typing

Gah the quote post disappeared NotAtMyAge

A hash #

A space

Words

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Given DU is happy to lie about an undeniable truth, my money is on the fact he will lie about everything.

@Jimmyneutronsforehead She appears to be rehashing verbatim (or word for word for the eejits) her whole tribunal position.

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In the words of the great captain Jack Sparrow: you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest, honestly. It's the honest ones you've got to watch out for.

😂😂😂

Loud

I'm back home and JR is still waffling on! Here are the bits I missed from the herald:

3:32pm
Ms Russell now questioning the prisons comment made during the Christmas Eve incident.
In the closing argument, Ms Peggie's legal team says the nurse told Dr Upton that it was "just like that person in the prisons".
Ms Russell says the submission "is not quite right about the extent of the common ground" here.
She says it was a reference to the Isla Bryson case, a convicted double rapist who only started to transition after they had been charged.
"It is clear and obvious that the reference to Isla Bryson is a reference to somebody who is a convicted rapist, and the words, 'it's just', are an explicit comparison.
"That is the unvarnished, unstretched position. There is nothing dangerous or unsafe about Dr Upton."
She says that comparing them to someone "who's committed the most heinous crime of sexual violence is an outrageously harmful, hurtful and damaging slur."
3:24pm
Ms Russell now questioning the accuracy of some of the details in Ms Peggie's submission.
In the closing submission, Ms Peggie's legal team says Dr Upton had already begun to undress and could not leave until he had finished changing
"But that's not why," Ms Russell says. "She had already changed before the exchange. The reason why she said she didn't leave during the exchange was because she didn't want to be accused of not listening."

From TT

G Malone decided investigation needed, but ED took the action. C says policy not followed - no risk assessment - but policy doesn't require one. Says management should think c shift patterns, and R did so.

Allegation that datix is inaccurate is misunderstanding. It refers to escalation of prior behaviours with Nurse refusing to acknowledge Doctor in situations. No inconsistency between docs. Confidentiality. C says broken by R and that C only person who got reminder in July.

Like this?

Ha! Updates from those watching have really slowed, you're either all asleep or JR is saying nothing of substance, or both.

Oh, it works!

God this is the most bored I have ever been in a tribunal

Even WFTCHTJ is more interesting.

I can do bigly words.

My wall of sad has evaporated.

JR It refers to escalation of prior behaviours with Nurse refusing to acknowledge Doctor in situations

Oh FFS - an actual literal KC referring to somebody not waving back at someone or being nicey nicey to them in a very busy work environment as 'prior behaviours' worthy of escalation!
Pathetic.

From TT

C says list of people she sets out 'all knew". But they needed to know. Director of medical education, would need to know re DU.

Dep med director would need to know. Dir of Nursing, General and Service Managers in A&S, DU's line manager, the consultants would need to know - for eg if DU so upset that she would need to go home from her shift.

Isla Bumba - inevitable she would need to know - and four people from HR. All would need to know. No one contaminated the I/x. The I/x was done by A Glancey.

wut

Found it, Little Britain not the fast show

omg it works!

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