NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #50

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It will resume again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 47: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382102-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-47 29 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 48: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-48 29 July 2025 to 31 July 2025
Thread 49: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5383443-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-49 31 July 2025 to 8 August 2025

Exactly. Although, given she can’t list the protected characteristics (based on a NHS Fife photo of her with a whiteboard listing wrong characteristics behind her), it would be hilarious to see what AI generated nonsense she hands in.

As I remarked to a mate of mine the other day, so many of the ills of the current world would be solved if people, y'know, just did their fucking jobs, as they were supposed to do. It wouldn't be a cure-all, but it'd help, no end.

JKRs book review is superb.The sad thing is she is right NS will find a cushy well paid job in an institution like the UN.

Just catching up with this thread. Thread 50 mental!

Fife changing the rules for staff travelling to from work in uniform. Yes it kind of provides a work around but it doesn't address the problem.

Staff do sometimes need to change at work. TW are not women shouldn't be in women's changing room nor should they be sharing wards with women

I can't believe Fife haven't learnt to 'put their top lip over the bottom one and button it' they just keep digging big holes.

Naomi saw she'd been cleared by the bar for misgendering. 1-0 to Naomi!

Ooh, which series, please? I need a new one and I love NW!

NHS Fife broke law over Sandie Peggie changing room access
https://www.thetimes.com/article/bc78e00d-453b-457e-b5d2-c6beda394bc7?shareToken=a4c7183a6fcac3d012afdbcb6e79a3a1

Eagle-eyed readers will note the Times uses ‘he’ for Upton 😎

The cat is well and truly out the bag. Well done Sandie and WFS.

I wonder what other NHS trusts are running around quietly 🤫 reviewing policies before they end up getting their arses smacked too?

I also wonder what other Isla Bumbas Diversity Officers are sitting watching saying thank goodness its not ME in that hot seat

@pontefractals it's Mythos. Not on iplayer but there's a decent quality recording on YouTube.

All of Julian Simpson's 'Pleasant Green' radio plays are brilliant with many featuring Nicola Walker.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Radio/PleasantGreenUniverse

archive

archive.ph/FoTfK

Thank you, @SqueakyDinosaur inosaur and @PrettyDamnCosmic , that's my playlist for doing my mending later sorted out.

I didn't want to start a new thread and I couldn't think of a better place to post this

https://archive.ph/WlGsK

https://www.scotsman.com/education/edinburgh-council-calls-scottish-government-school-toilet-single-sex-guidance-unlawful-5270861

The Council and the article references the FWS Supreme Court victory. Aberdeen Council, unfortunately, is quoted as saying they will continue follow the probably illegal sections of the guidance.

I wonder if any schools or LAs that get sued would be able to sue in turn ScotGov for instructing them to break the law?

I wonder if any schools or LAs that get sued would be able to sue in turn ScotGov for instructing them to break the law?

I don't know. Wouldn't it depend in the nature of the instruction? Regulations on the statute book might be one thing, guidelines another, conditions attached to funding yet another.

We could see a very profitable time for lawyers.

I just spotted a new five part Julian Simpson play that I had missed when it was broadcast last November Aldrich Kemp and The Rose of Pamir. The Aldridge Kemp ones are more jokey than creepy but are still loads of fun.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0k2slqp

That's excellent, proper LOL!

There's been so many great comments on this thread - thank you all for being here through it all. xx

My trust's Gender Identity policy had a page for Impact Assessment, and just ticked "positive effect" against all the protected characteristics.

Anyone else suspect that NHS Fife will resolve the issue by making both changing rooms on the A&E floor unisex and making the rooms in the "dank basement" single sex - with all the women forced to go down a flight of stairs into what appears to be a relatively unused area and change in the tiniest of spaces? So the men will get 3 changing rooms and the women one very small one.

They could try that, but I can't see it being acceptable. At least I hope not.

They could try that, but I can't see it being acceptable. At least I hope not.

Since NHS Fife seems to be determined to continue to break the law I can't see why they won't try it.

I do hope that Sandie Peggie wins and wins handsome damages and at that point, they decide that it might be a good idea to buck their ideas up.

50 threads. Blimey, wims!

Has anyone else had an email from the ET confirming access for the hearings on 1st and 2nd? It would seem that the access remains the same and is granted automatically if you had access to the second round.

Yes, I have had the same.

And I. They're getting organised! They will be good days to watch if we can - submissions will have excellent NC content!

I've just had the email too. I am ridiculously excited.

You mean following orders ?

Yes, thanks for this, I just checked.

The email also says:
"If you no longer require access, please email [email protected] by no later than Friday, 22 August 2025 to allow the Tribunal to redistribute the link to somebody else."

So if anyone is hoping to get a place after missing out last time, it may be worth emailing to ask if there is a reserve list.