NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #50

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It will resume again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 47: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382102-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-47 29 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 48: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-48 29 July 2025 to 31 July 2025
Thread 49: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5383443-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-49 31 July 2025 to 8 August 2025

I too gave up reading boswelltweets as I found them inaccurate plus the style was really irritating. The final straw was the day Lottie Miles gave evidence when the boswelltweets report was totally at odds with what I had observed. To discover that it was AI producing the reports explains a lot. From the Twitter spat it appears that he is bigging himself up claiming to have a live observer etc when all it was is AI plagiarising Tribunal Tweets.

A bloke who's seemingly obsessed with JKR's comments. And gets shot down a fair bit when he spouts nonsense on X! 🤣

Alternatively anyone can write to express support for Naomi and encourage the Bar Council to do so too

Thats an excellent bit of public service and proves the GC point surely?! Doh

TBF I think the comms team were quite busy, just look at the press releases in the first few days of Part 2 of the Tribunal. They can give the EDI team a run for their money when it comes to incompetence, adding to their workload at the same time.

Being ignored, and updating their CVs, removing "...the last five years at NHS Fife" and inserting "...the last five years in prison," which will look better.

🤣

if NHS Fife wanted to make the workplace better and "safer", what they could have looked at instead:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/aug/12/ae-nurses-attacks-rise

You know, the real problems, not the self-inflicted ones.

Perhaps their comms people are as experienced and knowledgeable as the EDI lead.

It went so fast after I posted it that I wondered whether it was one of the people here 😁

Just flashed up on my screen that Police Scotland are going to stop trans people going to wrong sex spaces. Not sure if it is true though?

It was a Reddit flash although I am not actually on Reddit but it flashes up with random stuff for some reason.

An article in the Telegraph about the BS complaints

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/13/gender-critical-barrister-avoids-punishment-after-complaint/

https://archive.ph/eJw3U

I don't like this wording in the article:

The opposite view says that gender identity is more important than sex and gender should be elevated over a person’s sexual assignment at birth.

Sexual assignment at birth?!

Yes, sexual assignment is weird. Sounds like James Bond's job description.

I wonder if it's an honest but odd attempt to put tra beliefs in their own words?

I don't recall seeing 'trans-critical' being used before,

Mission Impossible

Actual footage of BU making for his car.

Not tall enough

what about the tears

😭

He forgot his handbag

Needs to get back home to edit his contemporaneous notes

He needs the toilet in the ladies.

https://x.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1955917736812437939?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

Article in the Herald. NHS Fife has admitted to the EHRC that it didn’t carry out an equality impact assessment prior to allowing trans staff to use single sex facilities.

Yes, and their whole legal defence is a comms strategy. They made it seem like an issue with 1 employee only (SP) as opposed to NHS-wide, and then they discredited SP (racism etc). That is a comms strategy to minimise impact and draw less attention to themselves and gather more support instead.

Plus they seemed to have never admit liability throughout so therefore are focused on managing their own risk, even though it’s likely aspects of their defence are not strong.

They also seemed to use the fanfare around the data requests and ICO involvement to twist a new argument. At first they didn’t want to release data then they were compelled. So they pivoted to say “we’ve spent all this money, it’s a waste of public funds, we don’t want to continue this but no choice as SP determined” etc.

Some might not like the strategy but sounds like textbook public sector comms!