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thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 15:09

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 15:05

It doesn't help that joiners aren't muted until the clerk does it manually. I emailed the main email address the other day to say my microphone had been live for quite some time.

If you join as an observer, I believe you're automatically muted.

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 15:09

@OhBuggerandArse
He looks a bit like a frog, so can't tell if his slightly upturned closed lips is smug or normal.

Doesn't like being questioned. Lots of face touching and moving around in the chair. Can't tell about sweating. The noisy breathing might be because of his...build.

He is talking bollocks.

My main objection, though, is how dare someone like him - a man with no empathy and who freely admits no ability to understand how someone different from him experiences the world - dare to think he has the right to decide and impose policies and actions that harm women.

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 15:10

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 15:09

@OhBuggerandArse
He looks a bit like a frog, so can't tell if his slightly upturned closed lips is smug or normal.

Doesn't like being questioned. Lots of face touching and moving around in the chair. Can't tell about sweating. The noisy breathing might be because of his...build.

He is talking bollocks.

My main objection, though, is how dare someone like him - a man with no empathy and who freely admits no ability to understand how someone different from him experiences the world - dare to think he has the right to decide and impose policies and actions that harm women.

Sounds like he's a perfect indicator of this really being a men's rights movement.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 03/04/2025 15:14

He sounds like a keyboard warrior who suddenly finds himself out in the real world.

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 15:18

GB [paraphrase] Hadn't watched the film, can't remember who said what or when about it, or who had seen the film or not....But I knew it was Transphobic and Bad and Had To Be Shut Down

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 15:18

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 15:09

If you join as an observer, I believe you're automatically muted.

You aren't, I've always joined as an observer and I'm definitely not muted - I always check because I don't want to be booted out because the Tribunal has heard me bellow "Oh FFS, you lying incompetent fucktrumpet" in frustration at the UCU witnesses Grin

Datun · 03/04/2025 15:19

thenoisiesttermagant · 03/04/2025 15:05

What I want to know is this - building on NC's line of questioning earlier, is this. Bear with, because none of it makes sense.

LM said she was a 'cis woman' and would be uncomfortable if a 'cis' man walked into a toilet / changing room labelled as single sex. (she went on about caring about victims of sexual violence as a reason why she couldn't go into too much detail at one point but that's incompatible with her beliefs as I'm trying to prove here).

NC then pointed out how did she know he was 'cis' gender so lots of floundering there BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL WHICH IS THE POINT.

However, in LM / UCU's view, if the man strips naked but then tells her he's a 'transwoman' complete with penis and balls (as 90%? of them are), will that change her discomfort? According to her trans people felt 'scared' simply being in the room with someone (SB) with GC views and this was unacceptable. Unacceptable for SB to hold (or I'm guessing even be suspected of holding) sex realist beliefs, because of the distress this will cause trans people. (no matter the distress to SB of being ostracised and labelled hateful because of her beliefs that biological sex is real and matters - which the rest of the population mostly also believes).

So if LM happened to convey any of her initial distress in her body language or facial expression, when the man she thought was 'cis' but is actually 'trans' came in and got undressed she is transphobic? And this discomfort will also - presumably - miraculously disappear once the man says he's trans?

IF all this is true - which is the only logically consistent position within her framework of beliefs - this mean the male bodied person, via his transwoman status, is more oppressed than cis LM. This means his perceptions of his gender are more important than LM's perceptions of material reality or gender or anything else really. His perceptions trump hers at all times.

So, does this mean - following to the logical conclusion (thanks for reading this far). If a male bodied convicted sex offender is placed in a woman's prison (as has and is happening). Under gender ideology, even if these convicted sex offenders rape or sexually assault a woman in prison, her perception of the material reality she's been raped and the trauma of that, are LESS IMPORTANT than the male bodied person's feelings of distress she perceives him as male (even though he's raped her with his penis)?

Which boils down to trans people's perceptions and wants trump everyone else's rights at all times.

Eresh will remember better, but a TRA said exactly that. That there is no such thing as a rape if it's been conducted by a transwoman.

For precisely the reasons you mention.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2025 15:21

I think a few have said something along those lines. It’s deliberate trolling to get a reaction, but pretty vile.

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 15:21

NC: "That was quite a long answer, could you paraphrase it as "No"?"

Witness: "Can you remind me of the question?"

Datun · 03/04/2025 15:21

I have to say, even though it's secondhand, I'm thoroughly enjoying watching trans ideology go up in a puff of smoke in public.

We've seen it all over the shop, online, but watching it occur in real life is very satisfying.

The utter stupidity of it, the lack of logic, and the hopeless zealotry. All exposed.

Appalonia · 03/04/2025 15:22

Neither of these witnesses seem to take much responsibility for anything, do they?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2025 15:23

I guess that’s why Jo Grady isn’t up there squirming.

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 15:24

@OhBuggerandArse
Also v good at plausible deniability. Lots of others involved, but can't remember who did anything.

Slippery, in a dogmatic, solid way. Wonder if he has ever actually been challenged very much in life. It's as if he has just gone through the world like a prop forward.

OhBuggerandArse · 03/04/2025 15:26

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 15:24

@OhBuggerandArse
Also v good at plausible deniability. Lots of others involved, but can't remember who did anything.

Slippery, in a dogmatic, solid way. Wonder if he has ever actually been challenged very much in life. It's as if he has just gone through the world like a prop forward.

He is like an actual personification of group-think.

MarieDeGournay · 03/04/2025 15:27

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 15:21

NC: "That was quite a long answer, could you paraphrase it as "No"?"

Witness: "Can you remind me of the question?"

Edited

😂😂😂

Appalonia · 03/04/2025 15:31

It's so frustrating listening to him.

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 15:34

"Well, we'll wait with interest"

NC is so wonderfully sarcastic.

DrSpartacularsMagnificentOctopus · 03/04/2025 15:34

Thanks for the commentary everyone.

Does anyone know if there's a reason why tribunal tweets aren't uploading to their substack as promptly as usual?

chilling19 · 03/04/2025 15:34

Not me gov again

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 15:36

NC asks, where in transcript does it say t ppl pose threat simply by existing.
GB My colleague before has pointed those out
NC ?
GB Gosh, it's a v long doc...
NC Perhaps your counsel could point something out
[crickets]
NC Let me take you to somewhere
GB Lots of pages/can't find things at this moment.
NC It's a straw man argument isn't it

Appalonia · 03/04/2025 15:37

Saying a TW isn't a woman is erasing their identity?

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 15:39

There's a lot of sighing from this chap.

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 15:40

"It was a very fast moving situation".

It wasn't a fucking political coup, mate.

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 15:43

And an ill relative...

All these reasons why people can't do the stuff they are paid to do. And yet women and girls are just meant to keep on, plodding through all the barriers and rubbish and problems they throw at us.

SidewaysOtter · 03/04/2025 15:45

Mmmnotsure · 03/04/2025 15:43

And an ill relative...

All these reasons why people can't do the stuff they are paid to do. And yet women and girls are just meant to keep on, plodding through all the barriers and rubbish and problems they throw at us.

Has anyone reversed into a bin yet?

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